Clarence Seedorf Thread

[crazy4milan]

i have no idea what is Jung & how you can miss my post sayin' i don't hate Gilardino...

Jung was a psychologist that extended Freud's theory(id, ego, superego), not going to explain it cause it's kind of long. Alright you don't hate him(didn't see your post), but your defenetly annoyed/obssesed with him.

But of course since your perception has been fixed on that assumption... it is hard to convince you otherwise...

Well, I can change my mind, I'm a bit stubborn, but I have changed my mind before.

at the same time... you are a senior member here... surely you know that you can simply ignore my every post or do it the easy way & add me into your ignore list... which is actually a good suggestion to be honest...

I've been here for almost 3 years, never have I used the ignore botton, even in times in which I thought I should(and I'm very glad I didn't do it). Just because we disagree on this subject doesn't mean we are always going to disagree on everything .

Also, I'm one that thinks that I should read/hear what others have to say(as long as it's respectable) even if I don't agree with them, they can help me gain other perspectives, and I should respond to them, to let them know why I don't agree with them. We are probably never going to agree on the subject, but at least some extra knowledge is gain.


Back on Seedorf, Gourcuff seems to be still injured, so there goes my hope to bench him, and make him understand he won't always be on the starting 11, hopefully on sunday he is on one of his great 5 games per season.

 

[Passion for *9*]

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[kakarulez]

i don't think that he is that unique.
i don't mean that he's bad, because if he was he wouldn'T be in the milan squad...
but still.. i mean i wouldn't miss him, if we would replace him with someone....
what doyou mean adidas was wrong??

Adidas slogan is impossible is nothing, He's saying that adidas is wrong since it's impossible to replace seedorf.

 

[GreatKalu]

He did .... WHAT ????

I thought your recent defense of MALDINI'S FUCKUP was a rare error in judgment + decided to let it slide, but the quoted part makes me wonder who is paying you... LOL.

Pupone#10 ofcourse

Honestly, this was the first full Milan game I watched in a while (I'm still seeding it - search for ‘ac milan’ on www.isohunt.com) and I'm still yet to see Gourcuff in action. But from the events of the Anderlecht game, Seedorf's interplay with Kaka was way better than Pirlo's or Gattuso's. Most of the chances created during the game were crosses into the box - with the exception of two or three, all of them came from the left. Not his best game, I agree, but better than Pirlo’s for sure. I might be wrong however, cause Ancelotti did sub him out (probably for defensive reasons) ... but thats what I thought. Either way you look at it, with Gourcuff still out and the resources currently at hand, who could replace number ten?

Maldini's frustration after conceding was clearly centered toward Janku because he clearly motioned him to mark the goal scorer. That was just one incident (from highlights) but I do agree with you in saying he's no longer our best choice. I'd like to see Nesta-Simic after Kaladze's average performance - fact is, Anderlecht isn't exactly top grade competition.

PS. It was nice of you ... letting it slide

 

[Passion for *9*]

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[zZ[-_-]Zz]

Jung was a psychologist that extended Freud's theory(id, ego, superego), not going to explain it cause it's kind of long. Alright you don't hate him(didn't see your post), but your defenetly annoyed/obssesed with him.

Well, I can change my mind, I'm a bit stubborn, but I have changed my mind before.

I've been here for almost 3 years, never have I used the ignore botton, even in times in which I thought I should(and I'm very glad I didn't do it). Just because we disagree on this subject doesn't mean we are always going to disagree on everything .

Also, I'm one that thinks that I should read/hear what others have to say(as long as it's respectable) even if I don't agree with them, they can help me gain other perspectives, and I should respond to them, to let them know why I don't agree with them. We are probably never going to agree on the subject, but at least some extra knowledge is gain.


Back on Seedorf, Gourcuff seems to be still injured, so there goes my hope to bench him, and make him understand he won't always be on the starting 11, hopefully on sunday he is on one of his great 5 games per season.

ok... i'll ignore the comments about Jung since it's basically not football related...

i like to remind you that i am not annoyed personally at Gilardino or anythin' of that sort... i'll explain it shortly...

in regards to your comments about Seedorf... ask yourself why you want to bench him... because he is the least productive midfielder at the moment & yet he keeps a first team spot... which he hasn't really earned...

this is exactly what i feel about Gilardino... he is the least productive striker and despite that... he is somewhat guranteed a startin' role in the first eleven... he hasn't proved he deserves that first team role... and that is what i am angry about... startin' Gilardino even when he doesn't deserve it is sendin' out a wrong message to the rest of the team...

 

[Passion for *9*]

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[GreatKalu]

I thought more along the lines of Milan's PR dept.

I'm flatterd

In the same manner we wrongfully single out our strikers as a source of criticism for our lack of goals, Kaka shouldn't be singled out for not creating chances (on the ground) for our forwards. This is basically because:

i) his attempts to play with Oliveira often end up in passes being too short/long or Oli running the wrong way. Pretty basic errors that makes you wonder if they train together in the first place

ii) as Kaka's being given less space nowadays he has to drop deeper into midfield to get into the game - which he doesn't or rarely does. Thing is, if he played deeper, the other mids (Pirlo, Gattuso) would have to make runs, move around ... make the play more dynamic - which they dont! IMO, Seedorf does this albeit still needing improvement.

When I sit back and analyze the Anderlecht game, we have no pace at all. One can't dispute Pirlo's credentials with accurate deliveries, but if the only player making runs is Inzaghi, defenders easily read them. Gattuso has been trying to play the ball himself but I'd rather him play CDM than Pirlo where he would be most effective.

I see where Ancelotti's coming from though. He plays Pirlo, Gattuso and Seedorf - three midfielders - and even though Seedorf is asked to play a little wide, these three midfielders will usually fair better than two in the traditional 4-4-2 with wide players. This is a similar tactic to what Lippi used (Perotta in Seedorf's place) difference being both the Azzuri full backs did well in attack - as opposed to our relatively non-existent right attack. Point is, possession is won in midfield, and I back Ancelotti's system of having three of them.

In all honesty, the Christmas tree is the solution right now. Its this or I think Pirlo should start bench warming (dont get me wrong ... he's great but its just that this system doesn't work for him). With Kaka playing more on the right, Oliveira/Gourcuff on the left and Gila in attack (Pippo's not a good lone striker).

 

[Wild]

mad , I respect what u write here.
But man dont get into an argument 2 defend Seedorf when u watched only 1 game when Seedrof wasn’t even good but he just suck a little bit less than the usual.

Puppone , a blind + die hard fan 4 Seedrof , admitted more than 3-4 times this season that he was bad.
Flash news : Seedrof isn’t having a bad season but rather having the usual crap season but Puppone is just having an awakening + starting 2 realize Seedorf’s real performance.

I pray that soon our management will start 2 see the light & when this happen the first players that will leave would b Seedorf followed by ballon d’or candidate Pirlo.

Gila is off topic but gotta say that I would change the hole midfiled b4 I think of changing him.
No doubt he isn’t performing great but who knows a bit about soccer will know that Gila is a young box striker & he is a waste without crosses + passes from creative & generous midfield.

 

[GreatKalu]

As I respect most opinions over here.

I dont like getting into arguments and obviously need to watch more games. As most seem content with a complete overall of the midfield, we should realize that this would also mean the end of Ancelotti's reign. Since most of us (yes me too ) think changes have to be made, the only sure way to stop living in past (calling players 'champions' even though they haven't won anything in years) is to respectfully wave goodbye to Ancelotti - because I dont see him letting go of his beloved players.

 

[acerвιc wιт]

Seedorf has been off in the last few games though people tend always to use him as a scapegoat when we aren't winning or even when we are!

 

[acerвιc wιт]

^^^

If we argue we don't have alternatives to Seedorf, the same would apply to our strikeforce. Apparently Ancelotti lost patience w/ Gila but let's face it, Oliveira clearly doesn't look more sharp in front of the goal or is more involved in our play... quite the opposite... + Borriello.... let's not even get there.

So what is the solution ? Xmas tree disregarding Berlusconi's orders + with Pippo who has been taking an unvoluntary timeout from being a prolific striker + out-of-form midfielders whose desperate attempts to get on the score sheet end up high + wide ?

You can't seriously criticize our strikeforce while at the same time defending our midfield which looks out of sorts in more than one position. How many times has Kaka' really convinced (I say once) + yet he's being hailed as the world's best player even after a sucky performance. Does this send the right message to the team ? Galliani + Ancelotti have finally realized + admitted we need acceleration + crosses/passes but unfortunately we won't see changes because we don't have the roster that would allow for many experiments. So we make do with what we have. Including Seedorf. Brocchi. Gila. And Oliveira. And, at times, even Borriello. In short: Our problem is more complex than Gila's (+Pippo's) drought + harping on + on about Gila's temporary suckiness @ finishing is indeed getting old, esp. since we're all aware of it.

What we really need is a management willing to leave behind the well-trodden paths + I keep convincing myself that the somewhat unpredictable situation we found ourselves in during the summer put a stop to any kick-ass signings + not the unwillingness of our management to make some over-due changes... which on second thought is like convincing myself of the existence of Santa Claus... or sth.

For once an excellent post! Who would think I would agree (or anyone for that matter) =)

LOL@whoever said we miss Sheva...aren't they up to date with he's recent goal scoring. People should stop looking back at the past. Currently I'aquinta is a better striker than Shevchenko...and that does say a lot.
Borriello has been more impressive than Gilardino and Oliveira put together yet rarely features.

 

[acerвιc wιт]

a first team spot... which he hasn't really earned...

this is exactly what i feel about Gilardino... he is the least productive striker and despite that... he is somewhat guranteed a startin' role in the first eleven... he hasn't proved he deserves that first team role... and that is what i am angry about... startin' Gilardino even when he doesn't deserve it is sendin' out a wrong message to the rest of the team...

Fair point. Though I don't think Gilardino is playing bad at all. He is just struggling to finish off his chances. IMO he is playing shit loads better than Seedorf and well as Passion said Oliveira doesn't seem to do much either...he's almost as worse as Seedorf.

 

[Wild]

As I respect most opinions over here.

I dont like getting into arguments and obviously need to watch more games. As most seem content with a complete overall of the midfield, we should realize that this would also mean the end of Ancelotti's reign. Since most of us (yes me too ) think changes have to be made, the only sure way to stop living in past (calling players 'champions' even though they haven't won anything in years) is to respectfully wave goodbye to Ancelotti - because I dont see him letting go of his beloved players.

Now ur startin 2 make sense.

 

[Wild]

+ Wuhahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa about who said I'aquinta is better than Sheva.

Sheva 1-0
Any1 who s a man/woman enough 2 bet that Sheva is gonna score more than any of our strikers ?
Come on just a teasin bet 2 have fun.

 

[zZ[-_-]Zz]

Fair point. Though I don't think Gilardino is playing bad at all. He is just struggling to finish off his chances. IMO he is playing shit loads better than Seedorf and well as Passion said Oliveira doesn't seem to do much either...he's almost as worse as Seedorf.

my opinion varies from you... simply because Seedorf has produced some end-products that is of worth... assists & a goal so far... at the end of the day... these are what is of value... because they affect the result...

Gilardino on the other hand... no end-product of value... makin' a great shot that beats the GK but fails to get into the net is of no value at all... shieldin' the ball well & takin' a good shot on the turn that flash wide is the same... no value... you get what i'm tryin' to say?

as for Oliveira... he has a goal to his name... an end-product of value... he has the ability to drop deeper than Gilardino... collect the ball... beat a defender(s) & create space for himself... or in the same instance after gettin' past a defender... attract an opponent & thus create space for another team-mate... all of which Gilardino is not quite that capable of doin'... and thus why Oliveira should be selected ahead of Gilardino in my personal opinion... and you fail to even realize that Oliveira is not yet fully match-fit & is dealin' with off-the-pitch-family-issues...

 

[zZ[-_-]Zz]

harping on + on about Gila's temporary suckiness @ finishing is indeed getting old, esp. since we're all aware of it.

so when you continue harpin' on & on about some player you dislike... it is somethin' new? and only you are allowed to do so? while others are not entitled this choice?

you yourself do keep harpin' on & on my dear... and yeah... what you said is gettin' old...

lastly... Gilardino's suckiness infront of goal can't really be that temporary... remember that he failed to score a CL goal for over one season? about 13 matches in a row... even Crouch is bangin' in the goals despite not guranteed a first team spot for Liverpool... and he is workin' his ass off to try to earn back that spot... somethin' that Gilardino isn't really workin' as hard as he could... since he is somewhat guranteed to start the next game even if he sucked all the previous times he played...

 

[PUPO]

i don't think that he is that unique.
i don't mean that he's bad, because if he was he wouldn'T be in the milan squad...
but still.. i mean i wouldn't miss him, if we would replace him with someone....
what doyou mean adidas was wrong??

Adidas motto : 'impossible is nothing' jeez!!!

 

[newyorker]

Our Milan team is lacking speed. The only really quick player in the team is Kaka the rest are moving in slow motion. Seedorf can run in spurts but he is slowing us down. I would prefer to see Robben/Ronaldo combination on our flanks. Wishful thinking. This year we will stumble and fall as our need for high level players+achievers increased with Sheva absence, and some other guys no-shows. I can only hope that Yohann will give us something I am looking for.

 

[Beemer]

Our Milan team is lacking speed. The only really quick player in the team is Kaka the rest are moving in slow motion. I would prefer to see Robben/Ronaldo combination on our flanks.

If speed is our problem, you'd think we WOULDN'T want the Michelin Man chugging up and down the flanks.

 

[Don Shevdini]

just a little intervention... I think he meant CRISTIANO RONALDO

 

[acerвιc wιт]

+ Wuhahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa about who said I'aquinta is better than Sheva.

Goals by Shevchenko from August: 1
Goals by I'aquinta from not even a week: 2

I rest my case =)

Sheva 1-0
Any1 who s a man/woman enough 2 bet that Sheva is gonna score more than any of our strikers ?
Come on just a teasin bet 2 have fun.

I'd up you on that one

Pippo will outscore him.

 

[Wild]

Pippo will outscore Sheva

So another signature bet like the 1 I had with menon ?
When the season is over the looser will have 2 wear a signature made by the winner 4 a month ?

 

[acerвιc wιт]

So another signature bet like the 1 I had with menon ?
When the season is over the looser will have 2 wear a signature made by the winner 4 a month ?

haha sure mate. I'm game if you are?

If anyone removes it then the mods have to place it back in?

 

[Wild]

haha sure mate. I'm game if you are?

If anyone removes it then the mods have to place it back in?

Deal.
No need am sure we r both men enough 2 respect our word.
Enough off topic & let the game begin.

 

[red&black_fever]

Is this including CL goals?

 

[gahanthegod]

He doesn't deserve to wear the -holy- ACM jersey.

 

[AC_Wesley]

Amazing news for Pupone

Seedorf is called up by Marco Van Basten
Sorry i don't have a soure. they just sad it 5 min ago on the dutch tv

EDIT:
1. How is your dutch?
2. How was your dutch again?

 

[DugiNesta]

SEEDORF RETURNS TO NATIONAL DUTY!
11/13/2006
Good news for Clarence Seedorf: the Dutch midfielder was called up by Holland national coach, Marco Van Basten, for a friendly on Wednesday against England in Amsterdam. Clarence returns to his national jersey after expressing his desire to do so just last week.


acmilan.com

Great news for pupone

 

[ORez]

SEEDORF RETURNS TO NATIONAL DUTY!
11/13/2006
Good news for Clarence Seedorf: the Dutch midfielder was called up by Holland national coach, Marco Van Basten, for a friendly on Wednesday against England in Amsterdam. Clarence returns to his national jersey after expressing his desire to do so just last week.


acmilan.com

Great news for pupone

Considering our dwindling shape, I think he should be given more rest than play, sending him to play a friendly is a bad idea Hope he doesnt return injured, or scores some goals if hes at it :/