Clarence Seedorf Thread

[Axl]

De Rossi is a good player, and I think he will fit Milan fine. However, he is also the future of Roma, so they wouldn't let him cheap.

He's an amazing player but you're right, they'd probably never let him go at all, period. He is like the new Totti for them.

 

[Passion for *9*]

Mikel is another one... Used mainly Makelele-style, he's naturally actually a more offensive player + going by how quick he replaced Makelele + his overall COOLNESS ... he is a future STAR. IMO

 

[Passion for *9*]

Apologies for the off topics... NOT

I'm out.

 

[GreatKalu]

Well... he does keep it up, for 5 or 6 matches per season. So I guess you brace yourself for a quick return to normalcy... You know... Slowmotion + the works.

http://forum.acmilan-online.com/showpost.php?p=307133&postcount=650

http://forum.acmilan-online.com/showpost.php?p=307203&postcount=651



So we've still got at least 3 top performances left in him this season

But yeah, if he doesn't improve his performances + make them consistent, then I will have to agree that he might have to be replaced.

 

[Pirlo Fan]

I think/hope is already being replaced through Gourcuff. Seedorf is a class player, he never runs, hardly consistent but he is still a good player. IMO come next season he should be on the bench, more as a Kaka sub than that wing role he's constantly employed in, which constantly does not work. If you've noticed when he's played well this season its been in the trequartista role behind the strikers. A role I would like him to have next season off the bench as its where he performs, could finally give some rest to Kaka when needed.

 

[ORez]

Mikel is another one... Used mainly Makelele-style, he's naturally actually a more offensive player + going by how quick he replaced Makelele + his overall COOLNESS ... he is a future STAR. IMO

Sorry for OT but Mikel has serious serious anger management issues. Something similar to Rooney's, otherwise he would have been a god by now.

end OT.

Seedorf has 50% redeemed himself with a goal and assist in the Bayern game. Forza Seedy, you can shoot one or two crackers too, you know!

 

[Passion for *9*]

Sorry for OT but Mikel has serious serious anger management issues. Something similar to Rooney's, otherwise he would have been a god by now.

I don't know many 19-year old 'Gods' in that position + replacing a semi-legend like Makelele. As for his 'issues', bit of lack of discipline more likely + since corrected by the Special One...

Seedorf has 50% redeemed himself with a goal and assist in the Bayern game.

Good for him + Milan, of course, but for me it takes a lil bit more to redeem years of laziness.

 

[ORez]

I don't know many 19-year old 'Gods' in that position + replacing a semi-legend like Makelele. As for his 'issues', bit of lack of discipline more likely + since corrected by the Special One...

Fabregas comes to mind, who has better vision + passing + temprament than Mikel. Plus, it was time the Special One realized he was playing 4 DMs in the mid in the absence of Kalou, Cole, and Robben :/

It was but natural to see a slower + passing based + keep at the back DM replaced by a younger + more aggressive player + who makes Jose receive a lot of flak for his sign/block and store players in the squad, to come in the first team.

Lets see if he remains at the Bridge for the next season like Tiago and Del Horno.

Btw this is Seedorf thread, lets remain on topic, and ETD.

 

[ORez]

I don't know many 19-year old 'Gods' in that position

= My dear old slowmo Seedorf - won the CL with Ajax when he was 19 Forza Seedy! One more. Plz!

 

[Passion for *9*]

Fabregas comes to mind, who has better vision + passing + temprament than Mikel.

The jury is still out on this one. Fabregas has been a true early bloomer but hasn't improved that much this season IMO. Some peak early… As for his temper, he has a nasty streak too. (CC final brawl etc)

It was but natural to see a slower + passing based + keep at the back DM replaced by a younger + more aggressive player + who makes Jose receive a lot of flak for his sign/block and store players in the squad, to come in the first team.

LOL... At least Mourinho reacts when s.o. is showing signs of being seriously past it + throws in the new guy at the deep end. Mikel has been swimming nicely since, eh ?

= My dear old slowmo Seedorf - won the CL with Ajax when he was 19

A god he never was, but he prolly was at his best then + has been stagnating + going downhill since.

Btw this is Seedorf thread, lets remain on topic, and ETD.

Says who ? As long as the mods don't give a damn, except when they spot a semi-off topic p4*9* post, why should I ? To prevent them from deleting my posts ? Pfff... they can kiss my ass.

 

[ORez]

OK, but I realized one thing that acceptance is defeat for you

 

[Passion for *9*]

OK, but I realized one thing that acceptance is defeat for you

Huh ? Mind elaborating ? I'm not the one fighting wars here.

 

[ORez]

Huh ? Mind elaborating ? I'm not the one fighting wars here.

No, I'm not fighting any either. Yes, I do mind elaborating. Go figure

 

[Passion for *9*]

I agree with you, but sometimes somethings must be overlooked for the bigger picture. I begin to see why you have a problem with the older "stars" of Milan. You see they do take big pay checks, but they are essential for Milan. You see, I know that Fabregas (example) would have done a lot better this season than Seedorf, but you know, Fabregas isn't Seedorf. Why? Why the bigger paycheck? Why the "star" status? Why the privileges? Not for what he did for the club in the past. For what he can do, and is capable of. Maldini is old too, and slow. And not as good as he was. And not the Maldini we know and love(d). However, if he can be that Maldini for a few games a season, well having one of the best defenders in the history of football in the team is good. And liked it or not, though Seedorf isn't among the best midfielders in history, is a world class midfielder, and many teams would love to have him.

LOL. You're quite funny I SURE never lose sight of the 'big picture' which is why I'm not too fond of Milan's transfer + contract policies. Of course the cheerleaders such as yourself will always talk up the importance of 'experience' to justify the sad fact that we're a retirement home + people like me will stress the importance of rejuvenation + renewal (not just age-wise). We can move in circles now, meaning you can register another 2 or 3 IDs to try + contradict each post of mine + let me know in rather un-nice terms what a non-fan I am, or you can come to terms with the fact that people on here are (still) allowed to have their own opinions. And, if we just take a quick look at our previous seasons + our struggles this season, you can't but reluctantly agree my point of view is probably more reality-based than your own.

And liked it or not, though Seedorf isn't among the best midfielders in history, is a world class midfielder, and many teams would love to have him.

Throw him on the market + see what happens. I tell you in advance : We won't find a sucker who will waste money on him

 

[Marcus]

LOL. You're quite funny I SURE never lose sight of the 'big picture' which is why I'm not too fond of Milan's transfer + contract policies. Of course the cheerleaders such as yourself will always talk up the importance of 'experience' to justify the sad fact that we're a retirement home + people like me will stress the importance of rejuvenation + renewal (not just age-wise). We can move in circles now, meaning you can register another 2 or 3 IDs to try + contradict each post of mine + let me know in rather un-nice terms what a non-fan I am, or you can come to terms with the fact that people on here are (still) allowed to have their own opinions. And, if we just take a quick look at our previous seasons + our struggles this season, you can't but reluctantly agree my point of view is probably more reality-based than your own.

Throw him on the market + see what happens. I tell you in advance : We won't find a sucker who will waste money on him

First, don't call me funny. Second, I am not a cheerleader. Third, I am not going to start a flame war. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

Just tell me, how did a retirement home make it top 4 teams in Europe 3 years in a row? How did we pass through all those young perspective teams, full of youngsters? Experience.

And about putting Seedorf on the market, I am against that. He's more worth than anyone will pay. Therefore, lower his wage a bit and bench him more often. My opinion.

 

[Passion for *9*]

First, don't call me funny. Second, I am not a cheerleader. Third, I am not going to start a flame war. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

Really ? Then why is it so hard for you + your 'sidekick' the FatRonGroupie to accept mine ? Usually only people 'on a mission' register here + immediately follow me around

Just tell me, how did a retirement home make it top 4 teams in Europe 3 years in a row? How did we pass through all those young perspective teams, full of youngsters? Experience.

How did same experienced team end up trophyless each time ? Lack of renewal. You need balance, reputation + past merits alone don't win you a thing + @ Milan the balance tipped a while ago.

And about putting Seedorf on the market, I am against that. He's more worth than anyone will pay. Therefore, lower his wage a bit and bench him more often. My opinion.

Good luck making him consent to a wage cut. His 5 or 6 decent games don't justify holding on to him, esp. as he's one of the main culprits when the team as a whole underperforms in at least 15 out of those 30-some other games.

 

[GreatKalu]

OT ALERT !!!

Maybe its not the right time (after entering the semis) to talk about the negatives of our team, but really, this period is a small piece of the bigger picture which is Milan.

Everyone's dazzling over the quickness of United, the strengths of both Chelsea and Liverpool + the passing finesse of Arsenal and Barcelona. When it comes to Milan, they (+ we) talk about experience. While its a huge asset to have, more of it + less of other innovative (new, fresh, young) aspects just seem enough to make it quite far in the UCL consistently ... but recognition comes from winning it. Take a look at our Bayern victory ... when A. was giving runins to bench warmers, we had a 36 + 37 year old come in alongside Gourcuff. This especially in a time when young players with experience at top levels come aplenty.

While there's always the possibility that the great players we have can turn the clocks back + make this tournament their own, B. should know better that his most successful Milan outfit had a mix of experience + youngsters Maldini + Costacurta. I really think B. has a lot of knowledge regarding the management of a team since he's had an admirably successful spell with Milan + has seen a lot more football than most managers/owners in the business at the top level. However, his decisions of late haven't been as thought-out as ones before + I hope he realizes it + wants to put more time and effort into the team ... which is what we really need because regardless of the financial muscle of the EPL, a more calculated investment (which B. is very capable of) should bring the best out of the outstanding quality which is unbelievably still present in a team that hasn't been nurtured as much as it should have been in recent times.

 

[Pirlo Fan]

OT ALERT !!!

Maybe its not the right time (after entering the semis) to talk about the negatives of our team, but really, this period is a small piece of the bigger picture which is Milan.

Everyone's dazzling over the quickness of United, the strengths of both Chelsea and Liverpool + the passing finesse of Arsenal and Barcelona. When it comes to Milan, they (+ we) talk about experience. While its a huge asset to have, more of it + less of other innovative (new, fresh, young) aspects just seem enough to make it quite far in the UCL consistently ... but recognition comes from winning it. Take a look at our Bayern victory ... when A. was giving runins to bench warmers, we had a 36 + 37 year old come in alongside Gourcuff. This especially in a time when young players with experience at top levels come aplenty.

While there's always the possibility that the great players we have can turn the clocks back + make this tournament their own, B. should know better that his most successful Milan outfit had a mix of experience + youngsters Maldini + Costacurta. I really think B. has a lot of knowledge regarding the management of a team since he's had an admirably successful spell with Milan + has seen a lot more football than most managers/owners in the business at the top level. However, his decisions of late haven't been as thought-out as ones before + I hope he realizes it + wants to put more time and effort into the team ... which is what we really need because regardless of the financial muscle of the EPL, a more calculated investment (which B. is very capable of) should bring the best out of the outstanding quality which is unbelievably still present in a team that hasn't been nurtured as much as it should have been in recent times.

Well said. However I'm going to go a step further and say that I think B. has lost the passion for the club to improve as a whole. Buying Ronaldinho seems to be his dream if you would like to call it that but I perfer a misconception as to what the club needs to improve.B. seems to be more focused on politics that the betterment of the club. As you have stated the most successful Milan side of his time had a mix of experience + youngsters.

Over the years we have not brought in as many youngsters as we probably should have and it has started to catch up with us in Serie A at least. Obviously the likes of Bonera, Gourcuff, Kaka and Olivera(despite living up to expectations) come to mind as possibly worthwhile investments but I think our lack of rejuvenation is down to our transfer policy of buying 32+ players as nothing but stop gaps, not enough for the continuity of the team.

The current squad contains more than enough experience to last us a few more years but more investments are needed in key areas. Not necessarily a squad of 18-22 year olds who lack any sort of experience at the highest level but a few players in their prime should serve to improve the team.

 

[gahanthegod]

He's just played one of his several [max. 5] good games per season. It shouldn't erase all of his past suckinesses. I still fucking hate him, he should leave ACM immediately.

 

[GreatKalu]

 

[Kalac#16]

He's just played one of his several [max. 5] good games per season. It shouldn't erase all of his past suckinesses. I still fucking hate him, he should leave ACM immediately.

he's got 3 and a half left in him then.
After half time V Inter was one

 

[Marcus]

Really ? Then why is it so hard for you + your 'sidekick' the FatRonGroupie to accept mine ? Usually only people 'on a mission' register here + immediately follow me around

Believe me, it's my holy duty to follow you around and have sidekicks while being on a mission against the notorious Passion for *9*. Girl, I have never offended you, why do you keep shitting about everyone (and me)??? And why in the world would a ronaldo groupie want to be my sidekick when i don't really like ronaldo??? Oh yes, i registered at the same time when ronaldo came to milan... No dude, i registered when i got my own pc with dsl internet connection, because i don't like sharing it with my younger brother. And what would my mission be? Saying that milan players are good???

 

[Ilgenio]

He is world class player \o/.Almost all the first team is exept Gilagol-Gila(not)gol

 

[kats]

Updated: April 30, 2007
Seedorf revels in adversity
Nick Bidwell

Clarence Seedorf leaves himself open to ridicule when he claims Wayne Rooney's injury time winner in Tuesday's Champions League semi-final at Old Trafford was a blessing in disguise for AC Milan.

By suggesting a 3-2 deficit is a better result than the scoring draw the Rossoneri held until the dying seconds against Manchester United, Seedorf could be accused of taking leave of his senses, but the twisted logic of this serial winner should not be ignored.

No sports quiz would be complete without the question relating to Seedorf's unique achievement of winning Europe's holy grail with three different clubs and as he targets yet another appearance in a Champions League final, the Dutch midfielder justifies his opinions in a typically eloquent manner.

His claim that Milan's mindset has been crystallised by Rooney's dramatic late clincher is given credence when he suggests Carlo Ancelotti's men aim to match fire with fire as they take on Europe's great entertainers for a second time. And if his version of events turns out to be true, lovers of this game are in for yet another night to remember.

'While we were devastated to lose out to United in the last minute, on reflection it's not a bad result at all,' he states. 'I'd even go as far as to say a 3-2 defeat away from home is preferable to a 2-2 draw because if we'd held on for the draw in Manchester, we'd now we be tempted to play it safe at the San Siro.

'For me, it's better that we have to go for the win in the second-leg. I think that suits us as we have an attacking mentality here. When the pressure is on, when we have to come up with a victory, we have a habit of rising to the occasion. You can sometimes come unstuck when you go out on the pitch to play in a calculated way. Our task is a straightforward one and even though United have some amazing attacking players, we have a simple challenge - to win.'

It's a target Milan are more than capable of achieving as any doubts they lack the attacking flair to hurt United were silenced with their first half display in Manchester. The brilliant Kaka may have stolen the headlines, but Milan's fluidity and confidence through the midfield threatened to carve the Premiership leaders apart on more than one occasion and Seedorf takes great confidence from the display.

'Football can often leave you with mixed feelings,' he states. 'We thought we played well in Manchester and didn't deserve to go down. Our coach was so annoyed when we let our guard slip to let in a late goal and he was right, of course. On a professional level, we were guilty of not keeping possession and winding down the clock. It's an important lesson.

'Still, we can take so many positives from the first leg. We didn't lose our composure after conceding an early goal, showed great character to force our way back into the match and went into the break in front. We showed just how comfortable we are on the big occasion.

'The atmosphere generated by the United fans was incredible, but we weren't rattled by it. We were moving the ball around well, United weren't really hurting us, limited to long shots. In fact, our first half performance was one of our best for a long time.

'There's no question that the turning point was the injuries to Paolo (Maldini) and Rino (Gattuso). When they went off, United seemed to grow in conviction. That's normal, as we'd just lost two highly experienced players who have done it all. No disrespect to the replacements, but it's very difficult to compensate for the loss of two such stars. I'm not sure if Gattuso and Maldini will be fit for the second-leg, but knowing them, they will be on the pitch at the San Siro. They've won everything and still want more.'

Seedorf, whose under-rated talents may only be fully appreciated when his trophy-laden career comes to an end, shares the same appetite for repeated success. Glory has followed this midfielder from Ajax to Real Madrid and now Milan, yet his passion to claim more gold remains as fresh as ever.

And while his forthright opinions have often infuriated some of the coaches he has worked with, the media have long been a friend of a player who is always willing to provide the sort of insight so often lacking when the average footballer speaks. So in a week when Kaka's stunning personal display at Old Trafford inspired many a pundit to suggest the Brazilian is the best player in the game right now, Seedorf offers this less than predictable response.

'Kaka is not the best world yet, but that's not a criticism,' he says. 'He's a wonderful player with outrageous skill, pace and intelligence, but there are still areas in which he can improve and he knows this. It's a frightening thought. In two or three years time, he will definitely be the number one.

'I don't see this semi-final as a duel between Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo. This is just media talk. Football's a team game, not one against one. All I'd say on this matter is Kaka was outstanding in Manchester and that I'm glad he's on our side.

'I just love playing with him. We have a great understanding and unlike the opposition, I have a good idea of what he intends to do. Hopefully we'll combine well in the second-leg. Although I can't reveal our plans, we think we know how to get the better of the United defence.

'Kaka didn't deserve to be on the losing side in Manchester. He's been sensational in the Champions League this season and some of the things he did in this game were beyond belief. And while the English media obviously think the tie took a decisive turn with Rooney's late winner, we have other ideas. Kaka's two away goals could be very valuable.'

So as the football world holds its breath in the hope that the second leg of this Champions League semi-final can replicate the first meeting between United and Milan for sheer drama, Seedorf offers a vision which does not feature an all-English party in Athens on May 23.

'I predict a Milan v Chelsea final and that would mean we would meet with our old friend Andriy Shevchenko,' he adds. 'He has had a tough first season in England, but I still see him as one of the best strikers in the world and he can prove as much in the final month of the season.

'Our task against United will not be easy, but the San Siro crowd will be a big factor in our favour. Now we're playing on our turf and our fans are just as noisy as those at Old Trafford. They appreciate how our performances have picked up since the turn of the year and with a Champions League final on the line, they will really get behind us. They will give us an extra man or two.'

Clarence Seedorf hasn't experienced failure too many times in the Champions League, so Milan supporters have every right to believe they have this competition's lucky charm on their side.

ESPN SoccerNet

 

[acerвιc wιт]

I know everyone is talking about Kaka but Seedorf will be instrumental in whether we make the final or not. We are going to need his experience and composure out there tomorrow night. Has been the unsung hero in recent weeks. Playing some great football. Also congrats on getting your personal best 8 goals in a season, Champ.

Bravo Seedorf Bravo.

 

[MahmoodAB]

I know everyone is talking about Kaka but Seedorf will be instrumental in whether we make the final or not. We are going to need his experience and composure out there tomorrow night. Has been the unsung hero in recent weeks. Playing some great football. Also congrats on getting your personal best 8 goals in a season, Champ.

Bravo Seedorf Bravo.

that's right, seedorf is one of milan's main man .. can't really see milan without him .. he has been unsung hero all the time not only recent weeks.. great player who controls the ball and changes the way of the whole game..
relaxed mOn

 

[teis]

that's right, seedorf is one of milan's main man .. can't really see milan without him .. he has been unsung hero all the time not only recent weeks.. great player who controls the ball and changes the way of the whole game..
relaxed mOn

And wasn't he too bashed here in the beginning of the season?

Seedorf is great, vs. Torino he played awesome. Let's hope he repeats it against Man Utd, although I'm sure he will

 

[Marcus]

If we manage to partner Seedorf's technique with Kaka's speed, our attacking midfield will be unstoppable!

Forza Seedorf!

 

[Rybalchenko]

Fuck Seedorf Bashers! He has been great this season and certainly worthy of #10

 

[r3dman]

Seems to me the playmaker role behind the strikers suits this guy. Very good display tonight and anytime he played in this position.