Milan's History Thread

[Australiano1980]

cool.. im gonna look the link for hours. later im gonna tell in what magazine the interview is.

wagner.. is december 1995.. that one with juninho chucky on the cover.

 

[gaizka22]

discussed in other threads but for what it's worth:
http://**************.com/articles/...-made-bumper-offer-barcelona-ace-xavi-1821501

Mum threatened divorce as AC Milan made bumper offer to Barcelona ace Xavi


damn women

for what it's worth im trying to remember lineup used in 99-00. That was sheva's first year but largely disappointing.

If Xavi arrived in Milan in 1999, I don't think he will last long. We had Albertini and Giunti in Pirlo-esque position. We had Boban and Leonardo in trequartista position. Where would he fit? He would end up loaned out to other clubs before Milan shipped him out somewhere only to have him blossom. He would join the list that contained Vieira, Davids, Kluivert and more recently Gourcuff.

Looking at the trophies that he won today, we can only wonder. But then again, we will never know, won't we? Besides, name me a Spanish player who can really cut it in Serie A? Not saying that they're no good but different types of play is the cause. In the last 10 years we had Ivan dela Pena (correct pronunciation?) and Gaizka Mendieta (IMO very similar to Xavi or Iniesta in style of play) while Milan also contributed to the Spanish contingent with Javi Moreno and Jose Mari. Not one made it.

 

[necromancer]

If Xavi arrived in Milan in 1999, I don't think he will last long. We had Albertini and Giunti in Pirlo-esque position. We had Boban and Leonardo in trequartista position. Where would he fit? He would end up loaned out to other clubs before Milan shipped him out somewhere only to have him blossom. He would join the list that contained Vieira, Davids, Kluivert and more recently Gourcuff.

Looking at the trophies that he won today, we can only wonder. But then again, we will never know, won't we? Besides, name me a Spanish player who can really cut it in Serie A? Not saying that they're no good but different types of play is the cause. In the last 10 years we had Ivan dela Pena (correct pronunciation?) and Gaizka Mendieta (IMO very similar to Xavi or Iniesta in style of play) while Milan also contributed to the Spanish contingent with Javi Moreno and Jose Mari. Not one made it.

1999 was Zaccheroni. Wasn't there a colossal fight between him and Albertini over him not playing Albertini?

 

[Sven]

That summer we mostly changed wide players. Donadoni, Guly and Ziege did leave and Serginho and Gattuso (who came here as wing back) arrived.

We bought Diego de Ascentis for central midifield though. Maybe he was the plan B when Xavi refused to move?

BTW we also bought José Mari (18 M wasted) and Chamot from Atlético Madrid at the time. Milan really was fishing in Spain...

 

[Sven]

wagner.. is december 1995.. that one with juninho chucky on the cover.

Thanks

Found the same stuff in a edition from the days - May 5, 1986 (Palmeiras on the cover). Cerezo had already signed a contract with Milan and he was healing a tigh injury. If surgery was needed his contract would not be registered.

 

[laxman]

We bought Diego de Ascentis for central midifield though. Maybe he was the plan B when Xavi refused to move?

I also remember some article when quoted G as saying something to the effect of "we missed Figo but don't worry we signed Ba"

Unrelated, but we really let go of lot of players in the 90's who went on to become big guns elsewhere.. like Elber, Vieira, Davids, Kluivert...

 

[Australiano1980]

Dont KNOW what the problem is.. we bought Dugarry instead of the master... in milan's board.. we trust!

 

[Australiano1980]

Thanks

Found the same stuff in a edition from the days - May 5, 1986 (Palmeiras on the cover). Cerezo had already signed a contract with Milan and he was healing a tigh injury. If surgery was needed his contract would not be registered.

hehe i was 6 years old.. only memory i had was my uncle playing with fireworks because of the world cup.. and i remember throught that football was a annoying thing.. coz when u are a kid and u look at football on tv.. u just saw a green field and some white lines on it.. no colours, no nothing.. boring as hell.
(and my mom giving me a NT shirt for the World Cup.. i was so dissapointed when she gave me the shirt)

First magazine i bought was in 1988.

 

[necromancer]

I also remember some article when quoted G as saying something to the effect of "we missed Figo but don't worry we signed Ba"

Unrelated, but we really let go of lot of players in the 90's who went on to become big guns elsewhere.. like Elber, Vieira, Davids, Kluivert...

Vieira, who is probably the best DM that I've seen, 'could' have done a lot for us. On the other hand, Gattuso's career would have never taken off. I know that I'd rather have Rino's career with us than a potentially awesome Vieira.

We tried to sign Kluivert again after his time at Barca. I'm kinda glad that didn't happen - not a fan of his temperament.

 

[Jasper]

@jouracule Mohamed Moallim
Put this in your diaries; Monday 22nd August, ESPN Classic. Milan Story: Sacchi & Ancelotti. A look back at the club from 1987 to 2007.


http://twitter.com/#!/jouracule/status/104286436978720769

Hopefully it will get to the internetz as well.

 

[MilanMB]

Nice

 

[gaizka22]

1999 was Zaccheroni. Wasn't there a colossal fight between him and Albertini over him not playing Albertini?

No there wasn't. Albertini only had problem with Ancelotti (but that's another topic). Zaccheroni was on his 2nd season in Milan after winning the scudetto and he had the back-ups and approval of the senior players like Maldini, Costacurta, Boban and Albertini. Along with Helveg, Leonardo, Weah and Bierhoff; those players were key to Zaccheroni 3-4-1-2 formation.

In 99/00 with the arrival of Sheva, he tried to use 3-4-3 but not really successful, so he went back to 3-4-1-2, causing Weah to leave Milan for Chelsea.

That summer we mostly changed wide players. Donadoni, Guly and Ziege did leave and Serginho and Gattuso (who came here as wing back) arrived.

Guly was still with Milan that season. He was with Milan until end of season 00/01 before we traded him to Inter with a player who ended up becoming Milan midfield stalwart for nearly a decade, winning 2 CL with Milan and WC 2006 but now already sold to Juventus. Good deal I must say

Unrelated, but we really let go of lot of players in the 90's who went on to become big guns elsewhere.. like Elber, Vieira, Davids, Kluivert...

True, that's quite baffling to me. Those players came to Milan between season 95/96 - 97/98 when they were still very green. At that time Milan was still a very good team but 96/97 and 97/98 was a disaster. The way I see it, the board couldn't risk of trusting young players to lead Milan and although some players might show some promise, the board were too impatient. The situation was bad already in Milan and any players, not only the young ones, would certainly suffer.

Dont KNOW what the problem is.. we bought Dugarry instead of the master... in milan's board.. we trust!

Milan seemed to buy young players who scored when playing against Milan. Dugarry was in playing in Bordeaux who beat us in UEFA Cup that season. From that Bordeaux team, Milan bought Dugarry, Bayern eventually got Lizarazu and Juve had Zidane. I'd say we're the loser here.

 

[Dwa Milan]

We bought Diego de Ascentis for central midifield though. Maybe he was the plan B when Xavi refused to move?

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Don't really know the story about Xavi back than but yeah I think De Ascentis was an alternative for us(not first choice) because during Zaccheroni era I remember that we are also very close in singing Giuliano Giannicheda (Zach's Udinese midfield player).

 

[necromancer]

No there wasn't. Albertini only had problem with Ancelotti (but that's another topic). Zaccheroni was on his 2nd season in Milan after winning the scudetto and he had the back-ups and approval of the senior players like Maldini, Costacurta, Boban and Albertini. Along with Helveg, Leonardo, Weah and Bierhoff; those players were key to Zaccheroni 3-4-1-2 formation.

I remember the Ancelotti issue clearly, which IMO was partly due to Carlo's anger at his playing career's end being hastened by Albertini's arrival

But did some digging about Zac and Albertini and unearthed this -

http://qn.quotidiano.net/2000/03/07...Perch-eacute-Zac-non-mi-fa-giocare-quot.shtml

http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/...tini_contro_Zaccheroni_co_0_00030810069.shtml

This is what I vaguely remembered. Probably not a full-blown fight, but they certainly did not have a good relationship in early 2000.

 

[Australiano1980]

Zac wanted the entire udinese's mid in milan.. carleto prefer transfor pirlo in dm instead of albertini.. kaladze was playing there before albertini with cesare too.

I remember the Ancelotti issue clearly, which IMO was partly due to Carlo's anger at his playing career's end being hastened by Albertini's arrival

But did some digging about Zac and Albertini and unearthed this -

http://qn.quotidiano.net/2000/03/07...Perch-eacute-Zac-non-mi-fa-giocare-quot.shtml

http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/...tini_contro_Zaccheroni_co_0_00030810069.shtml

This is what I vaguely remembered. Probably not a full-blown fight, but they certainly did not have a good relationship in early 2000.

 

[Australiano1980]

With cesare the team stop suffering goals and did better when we trade the keepers.

 

[Sven]

Cesare and Nereo Rocco. What a great pic...

 

[Jasper]

That is so Vito and Micheal it makes me think Coppola copied this very pic.

 

[Sven]

That is so Vito and Micheal it makes me think Coppola copied this very pic.

I love the styles.
Cesare is all trendy in the pic. Cigarette, leather trench coat, a fashion haircut, pointy shoes, turtleneck... He is totally dressed like the young assistant.
While Rocco is all classical. Old school coat and tie, vintage colours (I guess so) an his famous hat. Very sober and elegant - the boss.

 

[Ashish]

Rocco has the charisma , he should be appreciated more

 

[Ash]

Milan fans singing "You'll never walk alone" as a tribute to those who died in the Hillsborough Disaster:

 

[Congo Powers]

 

[Jasper]

European Cup/Champions League dream team by L'Equipe:

Sepp Maier; Phil Neal, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Paolo Maldini; Clarence Seedorf, Ryan Giggs; Johan Cruijff, Lionel Messi; Marco van Basten en Alfredo di Stéfano.

http://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=148535

Anybody got a direct link to L'equipe or pdf of the magazine?

 

[Capo Ultra]

European Cup/Champions League dream team by L'Equipe:

Sepp Maier; Phil Neal, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Paolo Maldini; Clarence Seedorf, Ryan Giggs; Johan Cruijff, Lionel Messi; Marco van Basten en Alfredo di Stéfano.

http://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=148535

Anybody got a direct link to L'equipe or pdf of the magazine?

Prego...

 

[Jasper]

Very nice, Capo Ultra! Thanks.

 

[Serno91]

 

[Dinar]

HAPPY GOAL DAY!
Silvio Berlusconi and Milan. 2000 goals as a cherry on top for the president’s birthday cake.

Yesterday in the San Siro stadium, the team delivered goal number 1999 and number 2000 since the club was taken over by Silvio Berlusconi. On 20 February 1986, the lives of the Rossoneri faithful changed.

Here’s the breakdown: 1429 goals in the league; 264 goals in the European Cup / Champions League; 51 in the Uefa Cup; 1 in a Uefa playoff; 216 in the Italian cup; 15 in the Italian Super Cup; 12 in the European Super Cup; 12 in the Club World Cup.

Here are some of the more important goals from the Berlusconi era:

2 March 1986: Milan-Verona 1-1, an own goal by Fontolan. The beginning.
9 March 1986: Pisa-Milan 0-1, Hateley. The opening goal from a Rossoneri player.
28 September 1986: Milan-Atalanta 2-1, Massaro. The first goal scored by a Berlusconi signing.
22 February 1987: Milan-Juventus 1-1, Virdis. The first goal scored against Juventus, a historic rival.
1 March 1987: Inter-Milan 1-2, Galderisi. The first derby goal.
23 May 1987: Milan-Sampdoria 1-0, Massaro. The Uefa playoff sees Berlusconi’s team enter Europe for the first time.
13 September 1987: Pisa-Milan 1-3, Gullit. The Dutchman’s first goal.
10 January 1988: Juventus-Milan 0-1, Gullit. For the first time in 18 years, the Rossoneri win away to Juventus.
1 May 1988: Napoli-Milan 2-3, Virdis, Virdis, Van Basten. The first title is on its way. It was originally a three year plan, but they got it straight away.
19 April 1989: Milan-Real Madrid 5-0, Ancelotti. The inspiration behind Berlusconi’s team is beaten in the European Cup semi final. Carlo Ancelotti gets the first goal.
24 May 1989: Milan-Steaua 4-0, Gullit, Van Basten, Gullit, Van Basten. Milan are Champions of Europe for the third time in their history.
27 August 1989: Cesena-Milan 0-3, Borgonovo. Stefano Borgonovo scores his first goal in the red and black of Milan.
7 December 1989: Milan-Barcellona 1-0. Evani. The first Super Cup win in Rossoneri history.
17 December 1989: Milan-Nacional Medellin 1-0. Evani. Milan are champions of the world. Berlusconi is writing history.
1 September 1991: Ascoli-Milan 0-1, an own goal by Benetti. The first Rossoneri goal after Fabio Capello takes over from Arrigo Sacchi.
25 Novembre 1992: Milan-Goteborg 4-0, Van Basten. Marco Van Basten’s first European hat-trick.
24 January 1993: Milan-Genoa 1-0, Savicevic. A player much appreciated by the rpesident gets his first goal.
21 August 1993: Milan-Torino 1-0, Simone. Milan win the first Italian Super Cup played abroad, this time in Washington
18 May 1994: Milan-Barcellona 4-0, Massaro, Massaro, Savicevic, Desailly. Milan are European Champions for the fifth time on the same evening that Silvio Berlusconi becomes Prime Minister of Italy.
10 September 1995: Milan-Udinese 2-1, R.Baggio. Roberto Baggio gets his first goal for the Rossoneri.
8 January 1998: Milan-Inter 5-0, Ganz. Maurizio Ganz, father of Simone Andrea who was on the bench last night scores the second of 5 goals in a Italian Cup derby.
9 May 1999: Juventus-Milan 0-2, Weah, Weah. George Weah and Zvonimir Boban celebrate together after the second goal.
29 August 1999: Lecce-Milan 2-2, Shevchenko. The top striker of the Berlusconi era gets off the mark. The first of 175.
26 September 2000: Barcellona-Milan 0-2, Coco, Bierhoff. A Champions League affirmation for the Rossoneri who had never before won at the Nou Camp against Barcelona. After the game Paolo Maldini celebrates his birthday with the Milan Channel and Berlusconi on the line.
11 May 2001: Inter-Milan 0-6, Comandini, Comandini, Giunti, Shevchenko, Shevchenko, Serginho. A historic derby win.
9 September 2001: Milan-Fiorentina 5-2, Inzaghi. Super Pippo Inzaghi gets off the mark for his new club. The first of 125 goals and counting.
5 October 2003: Inter-Milan 1-3, Kakà. Ricky scores his first goal.
23 Aprile 2003: Milan-Ajax 3-2, Inzaghi. The Story goes on.
28 May 2003: Juventus-Milan 2-3, Shevchenko. Milan wins the first all Italian Champions League final.
2 May 2004: Milan-Roma 1-0, Shevchenko. Sheva scores the goal that gives Milan their 17th title.
12 December 2004: Parigi, Shevchenko. Andriy is presented with the Pallon d’Oro in Paris
29 November 2005: Milan-Brescia 3-1, Vieri. Goal number 1500.
2 May 2007: Milan-Manchester United 3-0, Kakà, Seedorf, Gilardino. Milan play the perfect game.
23 May 2007: Milan-Liverpool 2-1, Inzaghi
31 August 2007: Milan-Siviglia 3-1, Inzaghi, Jankulovski, Kakà. With the president in the stands, Milan win their 5th European Super Cup
16 December 2007: Milan-Boca Juniors 4-2, Inzaghi, Nesta, Kakà, Inzaghi. With the European and world triple, Milan become the most decorated club in the world.
28 September 2008: Milan-Inter 1-0, Ronaldinho. Milan win the derby and at midnight send birthday wishes to the president.
21 October 2009: Real Madrid-Milan 2-3, Pirlo, Pato, Pato. Milan come out winners at the Bernabeu stadium
15 September 2010: Milan-Auxerre 2-0, Ibrahimovic, Ibrahimovic. The Swedish striker opens his account for the Rossoneri.
23 April 2011: Brescia-Milan 0-1, Robinho. The goal that leaves the rest of them behind. Milan all but get their hands on title number 18
6 August 2011: Milan-Inter 2-1, Ibrahimovic, Boateng. Milan win the Super Cup in Beijing.
28 Spetmber 2011: Milan-Viktoria Plzen 2-0, Ibrahimovic, Cassano. The story contines...

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/136231

 

[Dinar]

Seems like a documentary made by a fan and if it is, nice attempt.

 

[manutd fan]

What's the guys name who played on the wing and was great in his first season until he had a car crash and was never the same player again(flashy/charasmatic guy)? ITV 4 had a "transfers that shook the world" programme on earlier and he was on it. Capello and Desailly(sp?) said he would have been one of the best players in Europe but the crash knocked it all out of him.

 

[Sage]

What's the guys name who played on the wing and was great in his first season until he had a car crash and was never the same player again(flashy/charasmatic guy)? ITV 4 had a "transfers that shook the world" programme on earlier and he was on it. Capello and Desailly(sp?) said he would have been one of the best players in Europe but the crash knocked it all out of him.

Gianluigi Lentini