Official: Zlatan Ibrahimović Thread

[jammin]

i heard zlatan's kids were pretty lame?

 

[Your Sister]

By the way, Helena is talking to Muntari's wife(?) in this photo.

Carry on.

 

[fredrik9]

So now that Zlatan and his family has decided they won't be moving back to Sweden once he finishes his playing career, do you this they'll settle down in Milan permanently? Will Zlatan and Gattuso be coaching Milan primavera together in the future?

I remember reading an interview with Helena that Fredrik posted where she said she can't wait for Zlatan to end his playing career so that she can go back to her own career, but if they won't move back to Sweden anyway there's no reason she can't build her career in Italia starting now which I guess will put less pressure on him to retire before he feels ready for it.

Will these two little guys who now goes to school with Nesta's kid all be playing for Milan together in the future?

http://regnodizlatan.tumblr.com/post/19620773206/zisforzlatan-omg-the-boys-are-amazingly

Well, the news was mainly about selling the house in Malmö, and that I can really understand. The house has been in the news a hundred times since they bought it. Even people not interested in Zlatan or football knows where he lives. You could ask how this came about since media usually respect some privacy at least for where celebreties live… strange. And this in a small city like Malmö. I can't see how they could have lived there.

As for staying abroad… Milan? You've seen the paparazzi pics. They can't even go shopping without gathering a crowd and creating headlines. Who knows. I think they said "stay abroad" only to smoothen things over with the sale of the house and not offend people in Malmö by saying… "Stockholm". Because that's my bet. I know they've been looking at several apartments. As recently as 2-3 months ago (this I heard from a real estate friend). They also have the summer house on Resarö (30 min from town).

The kids? They will play for AIK. And then Milan.

By the way, Helena is talking to Muntari's wife(?) in this photo.

They became friends in some dark creepy place a few years back I've heard.

 

[N3d0]

The kid on the right already has that arrogant look on his face I love it!

 

[Your Sister]

The kids? They will play for AIK.

 

[Lucia]

The kid on the right already has that arrogant look on his face I love it!

I remember an interview where Zlatan was asked if his sons were gonna become footballers and he answered something like:

"I don't know, maybe the little one has something, but he's too aggressive, like his dad."

 

[Dottore Joey]

The kid on the right already has that arrogant look on his face I love it!

He looks like the White Balotelli.

Pure Swag. I clearly can see Ibra has tought his son something.

 

[Lucia]

Well, the news was mainly about selling the house in Malmö, and that I can really understand. The house has been in the news a hundred times since they bought it. Even people not interested in Zlatan or football knows where he lives. You could ask how this came about since media usually respect some privacy at least for where celebreties live… strange. And this in a small city like Malmö. I can't see how they could have lived there.

As for staying abroad… Milan? You've seen the paparazzi pics. They can't even go shopping without gathering a crowd and creating headlines. Who knows. I think they said "stay abroad" only to smoothen things over with the sale of the house and not offend people in Malmö by saying… "Stockholm". Because that's my bet. I know they've been looking at several apartments. As recently as 2-3 months ago (this I heard from a real estate friend). They also have the summer house on Resarö (30 min from town).

Zlatan and Helena have already said several times that they would most likely move to Stockholm because they would get more privacy there, but this is the first time I know of that they've said they won't be moving home, so I don't know, maybe it's a recent decision? It wouldn't have to be permanently anyway, but if Zlatan wanted to go into coaching he'd be better off starting out in Italy. I don't think he knows what he wants to do when he stops playing yet, but he's thinking about it and talking about it.

But then again he always seems to fly back to Sweden every free moment he's got.

An apartment in Stockholm could be for part time use, just like an island summerhouse and a cabin in the woods.

 

[Ragazza]

The house has been in the news a hundred times since they bought it.

is that the house mentioned in his book? the one that they basically went to the people living there and said - we want to live here...how much will it cost for you to leave?

and then...they had the house "lowered"...since they were unable to extend the property fence for some reason?

 

[Goodfella]

Milan results(WITH Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 2 Juve (league game 2010)
Juve 2 - 0 Milan (league game 2011)
Milan 1 - 2 Juve (Coppa game 2012
Juve 1 - 0 Milan (Coppa game 2012, one half)

Milan 0 - 1 Inter (league game 2012)


Milan results(WITHOUT Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 1 Juve (league game 2012, ghost goal..dominated the game)
Juve 1 - 2 Milan (Coppa game 2012, 2nd half + ET)

Milan 3 - 0 Inter (league game 2011)

Definition of good Juve and Inter sides: the teams were in good form at the time


Ibra is the best player in our squad...best player in the league..Ibra-dependency...AC Ibra.....


Netherlands 4 - 1 Sweden (WITH Ibra)
Sweden 3 -2 Netherlands (WITHOUT Ibra)

Ibra is the best Swedish player...Sweden without Ibra = shit.



What are the odds for these results? I mean, these teams are shit without him, yet....

 

[Ibracadabralove]

Haha cute, another kid who've been searching all day to proove the fans he's a useless nobody. Lazy bastard. Big game flopper.

Broken CD FTW!

 

[fredrik9]

Zlatan and Helena have already said several times that they would most likely move to Stockholm because they would get more privacy there, but this is the first time I know of that they've said they won't be moving home, so I don't know, maybe it's a recent decision? It wouldn't have to be permanently anyway, but if Zlatan wanted to go into coaching he'd be better off starting out in Italy. I don't think he knows what he wants to do when he stops playing yet, but he's thinking about it and talking about it.

He's a wise man. And Helena is probably even wiser. I'm sure there are plans, but this is a few years away, and who knows what will happen until then. I doubt he'll go into coaching though. Maybe more club development, or a wider view, like with the Zlatan camp for kids.

An apartment in Stockholm could be for part time use, just like an island summerhouse and a cabin in the woods.

Yeah, but the things they have been looking at in Stockholm have been huge and expensive. Recently it was a 300+ square meter townhouse in "Lärkstan", far more expensive than the house in Malmö. And a year or two ago they looked at something similar:
http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/5/21/207351/Har-ar-huset-Zlatan-vill-ha---Bildspecial/
Slideshow:
http://di.se/Templates/Public/Pages/Players/PlayerSlideShow.aspx?ArticleId=207351__ArticlePageProvider

is that the house mentioned in his book? the one that they basically went to the people living there and said - we want to live here...how much will it cost for you to leave?
and then...they had the house "lowered"...since they were unable to extend the property fence for some reason?

Yes. And they bought the Stockholm / Resarö house the same way. It wasn't for sale. But he had visited Olof Mellberg and really liked the area, so he rang the door to to the neighbor and said "Hello, I'm Zlatan. I want your house."

Some about that here:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article12227149.ab

Ibra and Mellberg on Resarö

We're the gossip girls. Lovin' it.

 

[Lucia]

Milan results(WITH Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 2 Juve (league game 2010)
Juve 2 - 0 Milan (league game 2011)
Milan 1 - 2 Juve (Coppa game 2012
Juve 1 - 0 Milan (Coppa game 2012, one half)

Milan 0 - 1 Inter (league game 2012)


Milan results(WITHOUT Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 1 Juve (league game 2012, ghost goal..dominated the game)
Juve 1 - 2 Milan (Coppa game 2012, 2nd half + ET)

Milan 3 - 0 Inter (league game 2011)

Definition of good Juve and Inter sides: the teams were in good form at the time


Ibra is the best player in our squad...best player in the league..Ibra-dependency...AC Ibra.....


Netherlands 4 - 1 Sweden (WITH Ibra)
Sweden 3 -2 Netherlands (WITHOUT Ibra)

Ibra is the best Swedish player...Sweden without Ibra = shit.



What are the odds for these results? I mean, these teams are shit without him, yet....

Just a couple of comments:

First, what's the point of this, you are just picking the matches that suits your argument, a "presentation" like that is just the perfect example of the phrase, "lies, damn lies and statistics". Like there was no Inter - Milan match where he scored the only goal and we won playing with 10 men for almost one half, or the Super-Coppa Italiana where he scored and we won again.

Second, Lenardo's Inter was a good side? They were leaking goals like crazy. And at this time can you really say that the current Juve is in good form, they have won only two of their last eight league games!


Third, the matches Zlatan has played for Milan against Juve he's scored one and "assisted" two goals, that's all the goals Milan scored in those matches, so even though we have conceded more goals than we scored in some of those matches he still has produced as an attacker.

Besides that, do you think maybe it's a bit difficult playing against your old team when you are being targeted with racial abuse from the fans, and that it may make it harder for you? Yesterday it sounded a lot like the Juve fans were chanting ZINGARO very loudly after his freekick, and that's just what I could hear through my TV, I don't know what it was like in the field, but I know for a fact that in the two last matches against Juve in Milan Juventus was fined for their fans racial abuse against our players, I think Seedorf was one of the targets.

Fourth, you wanna compare the Holland matches like Zlatan was the only difference but in fact one was a away match in the beginning of the qualifiers with a new Sweden team and coach, where Sweden made a big mistake in the beginning, actually it was a lot like the Arsenal away match that way with a nervous defense from an early goal after an individual mistake and suddenly the goals were rolling in. The second match was at home at the end of the qualifiers, the team and coach had more time together, Holland had a lot of injuries and nothing to play for since they were already qualified, but Sweden had to win. Sweden isn't even the only small team that's won against them recently.

The funny thing is you wanna mock things like Zlatan being voted best player in the league (go make fun of the Serie A players who voted for him), and him being of importance to his team but at the same time when it suits your argument you wanna blame him when we don't win too, it's a team game you know, it doesn't just depend on one player, there are soo many different variables.

 

[fredrik9]

Lucia

 

[Lucia]

He's a wise man. And Helena is probably even wiser. I'm sure there are plans, but this is a few years away, and who knows what will happen until then. I doubt he'll go into coaching though. Maybe more club development, or a wider view, like with the Zlatan camp for kids.


Yeah, but the things they have been looking at in Stockholm have been huge and expensive. Recently it was a 300+ square meter townhouse in "Lärkstan", far more expensive than the house in Malmö. And a year or two ago they looked at something similar:
http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/5/21/207351/Har-ar-huset-Zlatan-vill-ha---Bildspecial/
Slideshow:
http://di.se/Templates/Public/Pages/Players/PlayerSlideShow.aspx?ArticleId=207351__ArticlePageProvider



Yes. And they bought the Stockholm / Resarö house the same way. It wasn't for sale. But he had visited Olof Mellberg and really liked the area, so he rang the door to to the neighbor and said "Hello, I'm Zlatan. I want your house."

Some about that here:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article12227149.ab

Ibra and Mellberg on Resarö

We're the gossip girls. Lovin' it.

Well Zlatan said in his book that the left it to Helena to take command of the renovation of the house and considering she spent 22 million (!!!!!!) to fix up the house (and I don't think that includes the furniture or the stuffed horse...) her taste seems expensive so I wouldn't be surprised if a 300+ square meter townhouse was supposes to be a weekend home.

Mellberg , I bet he's a really nice neighbor

We are not gossiping we are discussing current events

 

[MilanReality]

This is what the Ibra thread has come to?

meh, fredrik always did strike a bearing resemblance to perez hilton.

 

[fredrik9]

Well Zlatan said in his book that the left it to Helena to take command of the renovation of the house and considering she spent 22 million (!!!!!!) to fix up the house (and I don't think that includes the furniture or the stuffed horse...) her taste seems expensive so I wouldn't be surprised if a 300+ square meter townhouse was supposes to be a weekend home.

If you have a horse in the living room you're not like the rest.

Mellberg , I bet he's a really nice neighbor

He's the kind of neighbor everyone should have. He'll fix your plumbing, move your lawn and defend against burglars.

We are not gossiping we are discussing current events

 

[Goodfella]

Just a couple of comments:

First, what's the point of this, you are just picking the matches that suits your argument, a "presentation" like that is just the perfect example of the phrase, "lies, damn lies and statistics". Like there was no Inter - Milan match where he scored the only goal and we won playing with 10 men for almost one half, or the Super-Coppa Italiana where he scored and we won again.

Second, Lenardo's Inter was a good side? They were leaking goals like crazy. And at this time can you really say that the current Juve is in good form, they have won only two of their last eight league games!


Third, the matches Zlatan has played for Milan against Juve he's scored one and "assisted" two goals, that's all the goals Milan scored in those matches, so even though we have conceded more goals than we scored in some of those matches he still has produced as an attacker.

Besides that, do you think maybe it's a bit difficult playing against your old team when you are being targeted with racial abuse from the fans, and that it may make it harder for you? Yesterday it sounded a lot like the Juve fans were chanting ZINGARO very loudly after his freekick, and that's just what I could hear through my TV, I don't know what it was like in the field, but I know for a fact that in the two last matches against Juve in Milan Juventus was fined for their fans racial abuse against our players, I think Seedorf was one of the targets.

Fourth, you wanna compare the Holland matches like Zlatan was the only difference but in fact one was a away match in the beginning of the qualifiers with a new Sweden team and coach, where Sweden made a big mistake in the beginning, actually it was a lot like the Arsenal away match that way with a nervous defense from an early goal after an individual mistake and suddenly the goals were rolling in. The second match was at home at the end of the qualifiers, the team and coach had more time together, Holland had a lot of injuries and nothing to play for since they were already qualified, but Sweden had to win. Sweden isn't even the only small team that's won against them recently.

The funny thing is you wanna mock things like Zlatan being voted best player in the league (go make fun of the Serie A players who voted for him), and him being of importance to his team but at the same time when it suits your argument you wanna blame him when we don't win too, it's a team game you know, it doesn't just depend on one player, there are soo many different variables.

I didn't include the 1-0 Inter game because they were shit at the time, having only won one of their last 5 games. Leonardo's Inter was better than Benitez' and they had won 4 of their last 5 games. Juve were pretty good the first half of last season, and pure shit in the 2nd half.

Juve were coming from a 5-0 win over Viola and had several important players returning.

Anyway, I'm not asking Ibra to win every big game for us, all I'm asking him to do is to play the way Maxi Lopez, an inferior player, did.

 

[derpu]

Yes. And they bought the Stockholm / Resarö house the same way. It wasn't for sale. But he had visited Olof Mellberg and really liked the area, so he rang the door to to the neighbor and said "Hello, I'm Zlatan. I want your house."

Haha legend

 

[acerвιc wιт]

Milan results(WITH Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 2 Juve (league game 2010)
Juve 2 - 0 Milan (league game 2011)
Milan 1 - 2 Juve (Coppa game 2012
Juve 1 - 0 Milan (Coppa game 2012, one half)

Milan 0 - 1 Inter (league game 2012)


Milan results(WITHOUT Ibra) against good Juve and Inter sides

Milan 1 - 1 Juve (league game 2012, ghost goal..dominated the game)
Juve 1 - 2 Milan (Coppa game 2012, 2nd half + ET)

Milan 3 - 0 Inter (league game 2011)

Definition of good Juve and Inter sides: the teams were in good form at the time


Ibra is the best player in our squad...best player in the league..Ibra-dependency...AC Ibra.....


Netherlands 4 - 1 Sweden (WITH Ibra)
Sweden 3 -2 Netherlands (WITHOUT Ibra)

Ibra is the best Swedish player...Sweden without Ibra = shit.



What are the odds for these results? I mean, these teams are shit without him, yet....

Ibrahimovic playing within the starting XI hinders Milan in the pressing sense. Ibrahimovic isn't the type of player who is going to constantly charge at the opposition and force them to play that extra pass or close down attacking spaces. Another aspect of Milan's game which suffers is its ability to counterattack at pace. Ibrahimovic slows up play, which enables the opposition defense to re-position itself. There is no questioning Ibrahimovic's ability; however, playing against the big European teams Milan's this style is not quite as effective. Teams need to exploit space by increasing the passing and pressing tempo of a match. Smaller clubs will undoubtedly sit back and this works in Ibrahimovic's favour; though, when doing it against bigger teams, they are apt enough to deal with the situation and defend it to a better degree.

Milan's play is much more fluid without Ibrahimovic and there is a lot of movement.

 

[Lucia]

I didn't include the 1-0 Inter game because they were shit at the time, having only won one of their last 5 games. Leonardo's Inter was better than Benitez' and they had won 4 of their last 5 games. Juve were pretty good the first half of last season, and pure shit in the 2nd half.

Juve were coming from a 5-0 win over Viola and had several important players returning.

So a 5 - 0 win against a 10 man relegation battling 16th placed Fiorentina, this being one of Juve's two wins in their last eight matches in the league, that qualifies as a measurement of being in good form? Also if you wanna describe a teams form after the fact you should look at the performance against Milan as well, and the matches after as they are also good indicators of their form for that time periode. Even though form changes constantly, injuries, suspensions, conflicts, home/away form etc, a team can be in great form one match and totally out of form both before and after.

And why pick Juve and Inter? Why exclude Napoli, they have been a good side since Zlatan joined Milan? - Because you are looking for examples to confirm your opinions, if you included Napoli that would contradict the point you want to make since we have two wins with him (Napoli - Milan 1-2, and Milan - Napoli 3-0) plus one 0-0 draw when he got suspended at 64 minutes, and one loss without him (Napoli - Milan 3-1)

Look back at your post and I don't think you can avoid seeing this is what you are doing:

Confirmation bias is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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[adriancg]

Shouldn't we be worrying about his back instead of paying attention to the haters?

 

[Ratzaroony]

Shouldn't we be worrying about his back instead of paying attention to the haters?

Yep. I haven't heard a word about it beyond just that he has "back pain."

Any updates? Fit for Roma and Barca??

 

[Your Sister]

Yep. I haven't heard a word about it beyond just that he has "back pain."

Any updates? Fit for Roma and Barca??

Read somewhere that both of his conditions aren't as bad as they were initially. Wouldn't be surprised to see him starting on Saturday against Roma. We all know how he did against them earlier in the season.

 

[Ratzaroony]

Read somewhere that both of his conditions aren't as bad as they were initially. Wouldn't be surprised to see him starting on Sunday against Roma. We all know how he did against them earlier in the season.

Good, good. We'll need him fully fit for both games!

 

[Lucia]

Shouldn't we be worrying about his back instead of paying attention to the haters?

CdS has "Emergenza continua. Allarme Milan, fermi Ibra e Thiago Silva" on the front page this morning, I'm hoping they are just making up stuff as ususal.

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Edicola.shtml

 

[Your Sister]

CdS has "Emergenza continua. Allarme Milan, fermi Ibra e Thiago Silva" on the front page this morning, I'm hoping they are just making up stuff as ususal.

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Edicola.shtml

Being a bit alarmist again, eh CdS?

 

[Lucia]

Ibrahimovic playing within the starting XI hinders Milan in the pressing sense. Ibrahimovic isn't the type of player who is going to constantly charge at the opposition and force them to play that extra pass or close down attacking spaces. Another aspect of Milan's game which suffers is its ability to counterattack at pace. Ibrahimovic slows up play, which enables the opposition defense to re-position itself. There is no questioning Ibrahimovic's ability; however, playing against the big European teams Milan's this style is not quite as effective. Teams need to exploit space by increasing the passing and pressing tempo of a match. Smaller clubs will undoubtedly sit back and this works in Ibrahimovic's favour; though, when doing it against bigger teams, they are apt enough to deal with the situation and defend it to a better degree.

Milan's play is much more fluid without Ibrahimovic and there is a lot of movement.

On the contrary, in fact Zlatan has scored, assisted or won penalties with Milan against all the big European teams that have tried to attack us: Barca, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Inter, Napoli. The only big teams he's been unsuccessful against are those who sat back and parked the bus, like Tottenham and Inter (the last match).

He's scored, won penalties and assisted by some great fast counter attacks and by winning back possession (something he's been really good at, just see the last Arsenal match)

Some older examples:

 

[ShevaDaniel]

ibra-san has decided to sell his crib from malmo.so,fredrik,jump on.buy it.u will sleep in ibra-san bed.

 

[Trillske]

I like the gossip much more than I like the idiot. Keep up the good gossip.