The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[sheva]

Claudio Ranieri reminds me of Cincinnatus that retired from politics and the military to tend to his farm not far from the Tiber River. But when Rome was attacked and not doing well was convinced to return to lead the legions, and he did, winning the war.

Ranieri is 73 years old, was out of football but returned to coach Roma because that's the club that he loves and did a great job, missed CL by one lousy point. As a reward was hired as a consultant and he's the one that chose Gasperini as his successor.

You figure now is the time to relax, enjoy the fruits of his labor, but the Italian National team is in grave danger so has been called again, this time to rescue his homeland. Not only has he unretired once more but has also kept his job with Roma so that he now has two positions.

Ranieri is probably the most likable Italian coach out there, often speaks the truth, has good humor, and is well liked by the media. His sense of duty is admirable, but the Italian job is where coaches go to die, so hope his reputation is not damaged if things go badly. Of course, if we can't beat Moldova today we're basically out already.

Dear Claudio whenever he's called back to duty:

 

[sheva]

Ok so some news;

Maignon issues an ultimatum. Looks like he wants to move to Chelsea. And has warned milan

Ooooooh we should be scared.

Replacement options seem vanja or der stegen. Milan is interested in the Barca keeper

2) broja plus 15 mil for maignon is being offered.
Lel

Where is the sauce bruv

 

[Nevermore]

Ok so some news;

Maignon issues an ultimatum. Looks like he wants to move to Chelsea. And has warned milan

Ooooooh we should be scared.

Replacement options seem vanja or der stegen. Milan is interested in the Barca keeper

2) broja plus 15 mil for maignon is being offered.
Lel

They should pay us for taking this fodder off their hands

 

[grandeacm2]

Man I lost interest in all that shit after Milan’s season. I just watch if Milan players play in World Cup or any big games.

We are celebrating nations league now???? Since when wtf

Hell I would put A league over that crap.

Tbf Cristiano is almost 40
I would celebrate it too in that case

 

[P.Lorre]

Verona defender Diego Coppola is on the verge of joining Brighton for a fee exceeding €11m plus add-ons, with the Premier League side confident of reaching a complete agreement within 48 hours.

Why we're not in it for this guy? I'm afraid it'll be someone random like Rugani in the end...

a completely logical conclusion here.

 

[CROMIL10]

Verona defender Diego Coppola is on the verge of joining Brighton for a fee exceeding €11m plus add-ons, with the Premier League side confident of reaching a complete agreement within 48 hours.

Why we're not in it for this guy? I'm afraid it'll be someone random like Rugani in the end...

I have a feeling Milan will suck next season more then this one... "Fine as we are" era is back

 

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''Book religions''(what a fucking joke of a misnomer) are the same shit
Yahweh tells Abraham to kill his own son and he's ready to do it
Meawhile paganism(the word paganism was only used by christcucks and jews for the White IE religions btw), if you go back to its roots Manu and Yemo sacrifice the primordial cow to save the world, at least they doesn't sacrifice a human
Later on the lore got more degenerate with Zeus and all them motherfuckers(literal in the case of Zeus)
Not as bad as all that Middle East Hebrew bullshit, but pretty similar with egotist deities all over the place
Although in Ancient Rome and Greece there were already no human or animal sacrifices anymore, just taxes but middle easterners sure did + circumcision
The Christian church and Islam did far more damage to Europe than Ancient Rome and Greece ever did
Thanks to Christianity the dark ages happened, and for literal millennia the church were ignorant waged wars and persecuted many brilliant minds including Galileo Galilei
In fact this whole religion was invented by the jew Saul of Tarsus to subvert Roman Empire
Rabbi Yeshua(Jesus) didn't even exist
Rome allowing non-Romans to become Emperors or members of senate was what allowed for Christianity to poison the Empire from within and in doing so causing the Fall of the Empire and leading to the dark ages
Who knows how advanced we would be right now if that didn't happen
With Globohomo you never win

All religions are bullshit, Gnosticism is the closest to the truth but it adds christ bullshit to it too, but if you remove all that crap it's pretty close to the truth
The Matrix(which was based on some pretty obscure books) is also pretty close, as is Buddhism
But they all misdirect in some ways
The fudemental truth though is that our souls are all trapped here(if we all have souls that is) in this prison planet and tricked(by malicious creatures on the other side) to reincarnate over and over in this dump
People who have had NDEs have proven this already
There are also hints to this in many religions which middle east bullshit like Christianity and Islam overwrote with the promise of heaven bullshit

In Ancient Greek religion it's mentioned that your soul is taken to the River of Lethe(forgetfulness) to drink and remove your memorie and the warning is to not do that and to instead go to the River of Mnemosyne(Remembrance) and say a password and drink there and recover all your memories, prevent reincarnation cycle and let you enter in the realm of the Gods
They would put tablets in the corpses so that the souls of the departed would see them and use them as their guide so as to not forget.
If this method worked one can never know

Something similar is mentioned in Chinese Taoism with regards to some Goddess who stays close to a river and hands memory erasing drinks to spirits as they are passing by onto their next reincarnation

You need Jesus
Christ is King
He gave us beautiful, wonderful things
Like the hatching of the leatherback turtle
The sun reflecting light off the lotus flower
And Rafael Leao running down the left side

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Broja isnt really that, what we need bro.

I know he is shit but yea grandeacm generally hates all Albanian players lmao

Maybe not Shaqiri back in the days.

 

[CROMIL10]

lol you hate every Albanian player haha

Broja is truly a bad player... better to get 10 mil then 15 + Broja

 

[Inas]

Wish him all the best but also feel like Furlani may have "encouraged" him to make the move.

You really think a player of his caliber would need to be encouraged or pushed to leave Milan and go to Man City? Leave the financial incentive aside; the chaos at Milan, the shit show that's the Seria A, the pull of the PL, prospect of winning trophies at City, more recognition, better coach, better facilities, his age seeing as it could be his last chance for making the jump, etc etc. All of these factors, and you feel he needs to be pushed? Put yourself in Reindeers shoes - would you need convincing before you bolt?

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Nesta at 22 was in his prime wtf are you talking about bro?
Before Real Madrid he only play in CL once in 1998/99 with Inter, that was pre-injury
Then he spent like 2 years out of comission with his knee blown

He didn't get to play CL again until Real Madrid
2002/03 was his only real shot due to team circumstances and due to weight gain illness

These are the seasons he played in CL
Playing in CL was not easily guaranteed in the 90s
PSV was second place to Van Gaal Ajax he was there for 2 season, at Barca he was there for 1 season where they were at CWC, at Inter... yeah

At Inter
1998/99 1 goal in 6 matches
At Real
2002/03 6 goals in 11 matches
2003/04 4 goals in 9 matches
2004/05 3 goals in 10 matches
2005/06 No goals in only 2 matches
2006/ to December 2006 2 goals in 4 matches

Prime Ronaldinho > Post-injury Ronaldo(except for 2002 and 2006 World Cup where in 2006 especially Ronaldinho was a huge disappointment)
But Prime Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>> Prime Ronaldinho and it's not even close

Ronaldo after having his knee completely blown out twice was still doing shit like this at Real as late as 2004/2005 in Champions League


It just sounds to me like you didn't witness pre-injury Ronaldo live tbh because nobody who saw him at PSV, Barcelona, Inter pre-injury would ever think Ronaldinho was better

22 is no where near prime for a defender. It’s much later. But nesta was fast at the time. Nesta was still world class but no where near his best at the time.

I just can’t put r9 above lot of the players because he lacked overall achievements at club level. He was a beast at his best but injuries had a huge impact on his career. Cant rate him as the best ever for what his potential might have been. In goat convos results and achievement matters too.

Ronaldinho faced a much stronger version of a Milan side and looked effortless when he want past our whole defense.

Probably at r9’s best he was untouchable but his peak never lasted long and at club level there is no achievements to speak of.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Where is the sauce bruv

Sempre Milan

 

[leaf]

Didn't know what pendu is (thought it was a derogatory term for massaro) so I looked it up, and it's hilarious

Urban Dictionary: Pendu

Pendu: [The so] called GOAT according to [chromosome] deficient 8 year olds, the Portuguese ghost roams the streets of the [Saudi Arabia] looking for penalties...

www.urbandictionary.com

Pendu is the pejorative term terminally online losers have for CR7

Ironically they conveniently ignore that Messi was given 5 penalties to win his World Cup

 

[sheva]

i

reincarnation

 

[finnishhacker]

You really think a player of his caliber would need to be encouraged or pushed to leave Milan and go to Man City? Leave the financial incentive aside; the chaos at Milan, the shit show that's the Seria A, the pull of the PL, prospect of winning trophies at City, more recognition, better coach, better facilities, his age seeing as it could be his last chance for making the jump, etc etc. All of these factors, and you feel he needs to be pushed? Put yourself in Reindeers shoes - would you need convincing before you bolt?

Im a Milan fan and i would make the move

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Would rather have filet Mignon than maignon

60 dollars a kilo btw in Aus.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Chiesa to Milan still looking like a possibility

Fuck sake now they want Lucca lmao
25 mil asking price for lorenzo

Fuck me 25 mil for an absolute fodder


Sempre Milan

 

[Rockstar]

9 June, no mercato purchases. Should we start worrying?

 

[Bringfriends]

I guess Theo stays and leaves for free next summer ;/

 

[Swagotelli]

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[grandeacm2]

22 is no where near prime for a defender. It’s much later. But nesta was fast at the time. Nesta was still world class but no where near his best at the time.

I just can’t put r9 above lot of the players because he lacked overall achievements at club level. He was a beast at his best but injuries had a huge impact on his career. Cant rate him as the best ever for what his potential might have been. In goat convos results and achievement matters too.

Ronaldinho faced a much stronger version of a Milan side and looked effortless when he want past our whole defense.

Probably at r9’s best he was untouchable but his peak never lasted long and at club level there is no achievements to speak of.

The modern idea that defenders peaks is in the 30s is weird to me. Nesta prime to me is somewhere from age 20 to early 30s.
He was in his prime when he faced Ronaldo. Lazio was also a team of similar quality or maybe better than Inter in the years of 1995-1998.
It's not like Nesta was an inexperienced youngster, he was starter for Lazio for years back then and he was considered World Class already and even for Lazio somebody of Nesta's age couldn't just waltz in there and be a starter back then.

In his first ever CL campaign in 1998/99 Ronaldo missed almost half of Serie A games for Inter due to recurring injuries. He also missed first leg Quarter Finals vs Man Utd in which Inter lost 2-0 to Man Utd. In the return leg 2 weeks later he was still not fit and had to be subbed out before the hour mark.
This was all before his 2 big knee injuries the 1999/2000 season.

Ronaldinho 2003-2006 is quite overestimated due to how entertaining of a player he was.
People just remember the highlights but not the facts.
In 2003-04 Ronaldinho was 23, he jobbed the La Liga title to Valencia and he couldn't even win UEFA Cup(something Ronaldo had accomplished at the age of 21 with an inferior team and when the UEFA Cup was still considered somewhat relevant), he also didn't win Copa del Rey which Ronaldo had won at age 20.

Of all the people you could use who have more career achivements than Ronaldo picking Ronaldinho is a weird one because Ronaldinho's achivements are not that great, and when you consider that his CL Title came with a * they become even more underwhelming. Even compared to Ronaldo who was unlucky with injuries Dinho's achievements feel more unimpressive.
Ronaldo wherever he went he won something(apart from Milan where he got his 3rd major injury after like 20 games), even at PSV he won a cup at least and even at PSV he missed half of the 2nd season injured and could have maybe won a league or even UEFA Cup.
Ronaldinho at age 21-23 went trophyless at PSG for 2 seasons. Ronaldo otoh to whatever club he went he won at least one trophy prior to reaching 30.

To me it seems like the CL performances of Dinho at Barca are making you overrate him. But if we're going that way then Ronaldo's performances for Brazil in 1998 and 2002 WC dwarf anything Dinho did at Barca. This is not mentioning Copa America 1997 and 1999 back when Copa America was a respectable competition btw.
Roaldinho otoh? He gave Mexico its 1st ever Confederation Cup trophy in 1999 by losing the final to the same Mexico team who was tired from competing in the Copa America 1999 a month earlier whereas Brazil played their B team which were fresh and was still really strong(Serginho, Flavio Conceicao, Ze Roberto, Emerson, Dida played for that team) and should have beaten Mexico but Ronaldinho didn't show up so they lost.

BTW having said all that: Back in the day nobody gave a fuck about how many trophies Ronaldo or Ronaldinho won. Especially the latter. People loved Ronaldinho for his entertaining playstyle, nobody was mentioning that he won Champions League or anything like that. Nobody gave a fuck.
Even in 2006 WC, I remember people being disappointed in Ronaldinho not because he lost but because he was such a no-show and people were expecting more entertainment from that Brazil in general but Brazil vastly underperformed Ronaldinho included. That's why it was a disappointment, not because they lost to France or whatever.
Same with Ronaldo, yes the world was rooting for him in 1998 and he got a seizure/poisoed by French FA in the final but nobody was obsessed with him winning it. Nobody was talking about ''muh goat'' back then either. It was such a better time honestly.

 

[Australiano1980]

His Biglia vibes say it all
I would gamble on Ricci instead

I just hope Tare don't confuse Milan with Lazio. Coz if he do, soon we will be hopping to finish #8.

What I read so far.

Svilar.. I don't care much for keeper, who ever it is its ok.

NoRB-Gabbia-Pavlovic-NoLB

Fofana-Rovella-Ricci-Xhaka !?!? How any of those are improvements, idk.

Gimenez-Vlahovic-Retegui-Lucca... still no team to support a striker.

You can win a tournament with a meh defense or with a meh attack, but you can't win anything with a meh midfield.

I was watching youtube the other day, several videos from the past and realized, we don't have a functional midfield, since Pirlo-Gattuso-Ambrosini/Seedorf. Thats 20 years.

We came close of forming a team, we should have today playing for Milan, Fofana-Reijnders-Tonali, several factors changed that, and apparently they will try to repeat that short cicle, buy low and sell high... that won't bring trophies, will bring cash, and none of us are happy with that, specially the ultras.

So, our only expectation should be, how they will build our midfield and starts with Rovella/Xhaka/Ricci its not a good sign.

 

[grandeacm2]

I know he is shit but yea grandeacm generally hates all Albanian players lmao

Maybe not Shaqiri back in the days.

I don't hate Albanian players(apart from Xhaka) but they're just not good enough man.
And it's not like I would be excited to see Shaqiri play for Milan at all, but I'm just being objective. He is the only Albanian player this century that was good enough to maybe be a bench player for a serious Milan team. And that's because he proved it by being a bench player for serious big clubs like Liverpool and Bayern. He was good enough for those clubs to sign him.

And no, if Milan buys Xhaka right now it doesn't mean he's good enough for Milan. It means Milan being ran by and nepotism by Tare.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

The modern idea that defenders peaks is in the 30s is weird to me. Nesta prime to me is somewhere from age 20 to early 30s.
He was in his prime when he faced Ronaldo. Lazio was also a team of similar quality or maybe better than Inter in the years of 1995-1998.
It's not like Nesta was an inexperienced youngster, he was starter for Lazio for years back then and he was considered World Class already and even for Lazio somebody of Nesta's age couldn't just waltz in there and be a starter back then.

In his first ever CL campaign in 1998/99 Ronaldo missed almost half of Serie A games for Inter due to recurring injuries. He also missed first leg Quarter Finals vs Man Utd in which Inter lost 2-0 to Man Utd. In the return leg 2 weeks later he was still not had to be subbed out before the hour mark.
This was all before his big injury in the 1999/2000 season.

Ronaldinho 2003-2006 is quite overestimated due to how entertaining of a player he was.
People just remember the highlights but not the facts.
In 2003-04 Ronaldinho was 23, he jobbed the La Liga title to Valencia and he couldn't even win UEFA Cup(something Ronaldo had accomplished at the age of 21 with an inferior team and when the UEFA Cup was still considered somewhat relevant), he also didn't win Copa del Rey which Ronaldo had won at age 20.

Of all the people you could use who have more career achivements than Ronaldo picking Ronaldinho is a weird one because Ronaldinho's achivements are not that great, and when you consider that his CL Title came with a * they become even more underwhelming. Even compared to Ronaldo who was unlucky with injuries Dinho's achievements feel more unimpressive.
Ronaldo wherever he went he won something(apart from Milan where he got his 3rd major injury after like 20 games), even at PSV he won a cup at least and even at PSV he missed half of the 2nd season injured and could have maybe won a league or even UEFA Cup.
Ronaldinho at age 21-23 went trophyless at PSG for 2 seasons. Ronaldo otoh to whatever club he went he won at least one trophy prior to reaching 30.

To me it seems like the CL performances of Dinho at Barca are making you overrate him. But if we're going that way then Ronaldo's performances for Brazil in 1998 and 2002 WC dwarf anything Dinho did at Barca. This is not mentioning Copa America 1997 and 1999 back when Copa America was a respectable competition btw.
Roaldinho otoh? He gave Mexico its 1st ever Confederation Cup trophy in 1999 by losing the final to the same Mexico team who was tired from competing in the Copa America 1999 a month earlier whereas Brazil played their B team which were fresh and was still really strong(Serginho, Flavio Conceicao, Ze Roberto, Emerson, Dida played for that team) and should have beaten Mexico but Ronaldinho didn't show up so they lost.

BTW having said all that: Back in the day nobody gave a fuck about how many trophies Ronaldo or Ronaldinho won. Especially the latter. People loved Ronaldinho for his entertaining playstyle, nobody was mentioning that he won Champions League or anything like that. Nobody gave a fuck.
Even in 2006 WC, I remember people being disappointed in Ronaldinho not because he lost but because he was such a no-show and people were expecting more entertainment from that Brazil in general but Brazil vastly underperformed Ronaldinho included. That's why it was a disappointment, not because they lost to France or whatever.
Same with Ronaldo, yes the world was rooting for him in 1998 and he got a seizure/poisoed by French FA in the final but nobody was obsessed with him winning it. Nobody was talking about ''muh goat'' back then either. It was such a better time honestly.

PSG when buck tooth played was a pretty mediocre team though. Ronaldo dint play for a completely mediocre side.

I agree r9 at his absolute best may have been the best ever. But his peak never lasted long.

22 no matter what you body is not even fully developed at that stage. Unless nesta is age fudging which isn’t really pervasive in Italian football. So I doubt that would be the case. Still a great defender but that was no where near a prime nesta. World class for that time still. Which is why we ended up buying him. He got a lot better later on.

When Ronaldinho came to Barca they weren’t really doing all that great either.

R9 never carried out a huge transformation like Ronaldinho did. He made Barcelona great again tbh. Mentored Messi and shit too. Freakish player at his best. Just unplayable when on song. He faced all top defenders at their peak. R9 may not have had the same impact Ronaldinho did against that Milan team albeit cheating which I agree with. But in the game you could just watch how helpless we were at times when Ronaldinho had the ball. I never felt that way for Maldini or any of our defenders when r9 played at his best for inter.

Both were absolute beasts. But peak version I would choose buck tooth. His creativity, flair and his surprisingly strength just made him unplayable. Different position anyway.

For club level anyway

At World Cup stage or international games there is no one close to r9 obviously. Well barring pele. Untouchable there.

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[P.Lorre]

I thought yesterday Modric wasn't signing here?

 

[Tobinho]

But in the game you could just watch how helpless we were at times when Ronaldinho had the ball. I never felt that way for Maldini or any of our defenders when r9 played at his best for inter.

Maldini said: “First of all, I have had the chance to play against great, great players and I think the best ones were, of course, [Diego] Maradona when he played for Napoli and Ronaldo when he played for Inter."

Alessandro Nesta on Ronaldo [Nazário]: “Ronaldo is the hardest attacker I've ever had to face. He was impossible to stop."

 

[P.Lorre]

Cherki, the biggest "new" name in french football, sold for 35M to City.

But 70M for Tiji is blasphemous. Hmm