Andrea Pirlo Thread

[Ashish]

What i don't get is why those who readily bashed management for 'screwing leo', 'wasting kaka' can't say same for pirlo.

Denying his talent is laughable.

Yes certain systems suit him more, but he was wasted from basically 2007 on with static teams.


There are so few players with the ability to conduct a team the way a guy like xavi, pirlo, scholes do. IMO if you are luckily enough to have one, utilize them properly ffs.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but all the flaws of the 07-10 milan teams, were unrelated to pirlo. It's another example of management wasting an asset (pirlo) buy not constructing a proper team time and time again. Ex. Signing Ronaldinho, when Etoo would have worked MUCH better w/ kaka and pirlo (imagine etoo with kaka behind him, pirlo in midfield)


End of the day, another wasted talent in his prime years, despite fact he was still performing stellar with national team who was mobile.

bullshit

 

[jammin]

Scholes is a very good player, but one clear level below Pirlo and Xavi in creativity. More in the Xabi Alonso region, I'd say. No matter what Zidane might have said about him, in some drink-fuelled crazy moment.

this. and he's very very consistent.

he also plays in a system well-suited for his needs (just like Pirlo now) with a lot of great out-and-out wingers over the years and even some dream target men like Ronaldo.

 

[VultureNut]

Is it true he has deformed ears? Someone said he has his funny hair to hide them.

 

[Casualista]

Is it true he has deformed ears? Someone said he has his funny hair to hide them.

its true.

and yeah not like an unmotivated player is ever a burden to the team.

and italy were playing bs football post 06. It showed in euros qualification of 08, it showed in euros itself, it showed in world cup qualification and it most definitely showed in world cup.

Pirlo was part of the problem and the way he played he most definitely wasnt going to be part of the solution for milan. Its only when milan told him to pack his bag of shampoos and move to turin that he realized he is paid to play football.

Even if i agree to the point that the team around pirlo had become shit pirlo was most definitely not an exception. He absolutely took no initiative, not a leader, no drive and no ambition and probably even less initiative than seedorf. And just like every other senatore looked content with the UCL win. Under such circumstances which coach in his right mind would build a team around him at milan?

At least van bommel doesnt have motivation issues even if his skills have waned a bit. But thats what u expect from a professional. Self motivation at every environment. Real man's player.

 

[GreatKalu]

Good morning ...

Rise and shine

you get high? explains most of your posts.


Milan need to replace players on the sides of MVB, basically the nocerinos/aquilani/muntari should not be starters, that's something your little brain should comprehend.

but MVB is getting old, so signing an anchor would be ideal and having MVB to cover would be sweet, but out of the mid 3, he's not the problem.

ambro had a hard time and 8 other players defending with him, I don't see how it's an achievement.


and stop saying fuck juve, we all know you teared up and enjoyed their title when your precious fairy was running around with his horse face smiling.

Oh I pity you. I really do. Your hate for Pirlo has led you to overrate vb0ss. So sad. Keep telling yourself you're right. vb0ss > Pirlo. Let that sink in until it becomes a fact in that little world in your head. Wait ... bit late as it evidently already is.

Where did I say that Van Bommel is good only when it comes to defence?

And Van Bommel also had a massive tackle at the penalty line in the second Barcelona game of the group stages. I'm not sure if it was against Messi, Villa or Fabregas, but it was huge. German broadcasters had it in their CL intro.

Second group stage game against Barca, he was easily the worst player on the pitch. I kept on screaming ... why the fuck is Allegri not taking this shit out? No possession is understandable considering his football skillzz, but being absolute shite + a liability defensively? That was too much ...

pirlo played minimal role in both our big ear campaigns. it was a moot point to begin with.

Pirlo played the most minutes than any Milan player in not only our 06-07 UCL campaign, but the whole season as well.

Get your facts right fat child

I can only talk about the last ~14-15 years, and in that time, no one has been in Pirlo's or Xavi's level - when each one was at his respective best.. Not counting players like Zidane, Kaka etc - that's a different category altogether.

Xavi's rise, peak and entire career has been exactly like Pirlo's actually - except each stage followed around 3-4 seasons later. In other words, very similar. I found Pirlo superior, perhaps because I watched him week-in week-out, unlike Xavi, whom I watch around 15 times a season.

It is funny that you guys are arguing between two very similar players with very similar careers.

(Except for Pirlo's sudden rise back to the top this season.)

Do you guys remember that glorious assist to Janku against bitch Alves' Sevilla? The fucker used to dive and complain even back then, not to mention Keita. After Puerta's tragic death, Kieta had the nerve to fake a head injury after colliding with Gattuso. Ref saw what happened, gave the freekick to Milan, but Gattuso had to go off because he was cut open. Kieta waltzed right in

Down to 10 men, Milan seemed to be content with taking a short freekick and passing it around ... but Pirlo had other ideas. A pass of such class and accuracy that Chavi and all the other mentioned CMs couldn't produce ... with such pin-point accuracy. And the finish ... that too from a left back.

Ticki-taka-tookuuu-ttiiittt what! This was real beautiful football.

u obviously havent seen xavi pick out dani alves and adriano with his pin point perfect passes and his lobs to messi. in fact i bet xavi's long ball stats are more accurate than pirlo if someone can bring it up.

False again

From a purely aesthetic point of view, Pirlo is better than Xavi. Pirlo is one of the most smooth and graceful midfielders I've ever seen, this has fooled many people into overrating his actual effectiveness. And among these people, there are many at the top European clubs; I think that Chelsea, Bayern and Atletico Madrid were at some point interested in Pirlo, but his reputation of the ultimate beautiful midfielder (footballing style, not hair lol) also commanded a heavy wages demand from him that might have been a problem.

And with Pirlo being the merc that he is, he was not going to accept lower wages for the sake of his love for Milan, because such love didn't exist in the first place. He went to the highest bidder, completely disregarding that its Milan's biggest rival.

At least there's some sort of sanity still left in your posts.

When I mention fatsonaldo, I find it rather ironic that you keep bitching about Pirlo's loyalty when your idol really went all out: as if Milan - Inter wasn't enough, he went on and did Barca - Real as well.

IMO

Fuck off back stabber

 

[Casualista]

Pirlo played the most minutes than any Milan player in not only our 06-07 UCL campaign, but the whole season as well.

Get your facts right fat child

False again

I believe i have spent the most amount of time watching the french election and i have affected the result profoundly because of the minutes i spent watching it.

tiki-taka-tiki-tak-pass alves-tiki-tiaka-messi 77 goals-tiki-taka-more-successful-than-regional-regista-tiki-taka-best-team-and-playmaker-last-decade-tiki-taka-success.

 

[necromancer]

best-team-and-playmaker-last-decade-

Knew you would finally recognize Il Maestro's genius.

Bonus video follows -

 

[Casualista]

Knew you would finally recognize Il Maestro's genius.

Bonus video follows -

I did.

So i had to mention him.

3 cheers for the perfect mid field maestro and he is a one club man as well.

 

[jammin]

put Xavi against top-form Rino and/or Flamini...

 

[necromancer]

I just saw a clip of Pirlo tackling Van Bommel and stealing the ball from him and laughed out loud. I'm really really becoming a bad person these days, thanks to Galliani's policies.

Even a season later, it is inconceivable that Milan gave up Pirlo. Milan WAS Pirlo more than any other player for the last one decade. Craziness.

 

[Casualista]

ehh. barca 06 was a lesser team than the current one. Deco and Dinho ran circles around Gattuso. This barca ........

pff no point making long arguments.

Put pirlo in a team without bodyguards.

 

[Casualista]

I just went on a marathon run on all milan and italy games post 07 till before ibra arrived. I couldnt stop laughing at how pathetic pirlo dependent milan was in 99% of the games.

 

[necromancer]

I just went on a marathon run on all milan and italy games post 07 till before ibra arrived. I couldnt stop laughing at how pathetic pirlo dependent milan was in 99% of the games.

Sadly true. We continue to be pathetic now, except that it's Ibra-dependence instead.

 

[jammin]

building a team around Zlatan rather than Pirlo was a logical move.

/serious post.

put Xavi (and his two bitches Iniesta and Busquets) against a midfield of Flamini-MvB-Rino (all on top form) and watch them squeal for mercy.

 

[Casualista]

Sadly true. We continue to be pathetic now, except that it's Ibra-dependence instead.

at least we dont end up in europa.

 

[necromancer]

building a team around Zlatan rather than Pirlo was a logical move.

Giving the world's best playmaker to your title rivals was a short-sighted move. As many did here, Galliani underestimated Juventus as well.

 

[Casualista]

we never had xavi to give juventus. Galliani's mistake was not buying tevez and getting rid of pato. The idea u so conveniently mocked saying we only need depth replacement.

 

[necromancer]

we never had xavi to give juventus. Galliani's mistake was not buying tevez and getting rid of pato. The idea u so conveniently mocked saying we only need depth replacement.

Come again?

 

[jammin]

Giving the world's best playmaker to your title rivals was a short-sighted move. As many did here, Galliani underestimated Juventus as well.

yes, sadly true. should have given pirlo to chelsea for some $$$ instead.

/captain hindsight.

well, we're in the present now, no point moaning about past mistakes and better look forward to an optimistic future.

 

[Casualista]

Come again?

"i love how galliani trolled the transfer tards....we made smart moves in transfer market. Maxi, muntari and mesbah aree smart and cheap moves."

I believe you and senatore held this opinion.
and further rhetoric along those lines when the only ones that got trolled was milan when we ended up with muntari, maxi and mesbah.

 

[Sven]

Galliani sold Pato and got Tevez. Silvio canceled the deal.

 

[necromancer]

yes, sadly true. should have given pirlo to chelsea for some $$$ instead.

/captain hindsight.

well, we're in the present now, no point moaning about past mistakes and better look forward to an optimistic future.

That's what I do.

But once in a long while, I get a turn maudlin and think of that Milan with Pirlo pulling the threads from the midfield, Gattuso breaking down player after player, Seedorf strutting around the field like a peacock - doing nothing yet convincing people that he was doing a lot, Kaka sprinting like a gazelle on a counter, Sheva coming in from the left flank and sending the ball towards the goal, and Pippo poaching the said ball and scoring himself.

Good old days.

 

[necromancer]

"i love how galliani trolled the transfer tards....we made smart moves in transfer market. Maxi, muntari and mesbah aree smart and cheap moves."

I believe you and senatore held this opinion.
and further rhetoric along those lines when the only ones that got trolled was milan when we ended up with muntari, maxi and mesbah.

Sarcasm. Check out the Tevez thread. I wanted him to come real bad.

I admittedly did have a lot of fun reading the end of the world stories of Commoders though, when the deal didnt happen.

 

[Casualista]

Yes, that is one part of it. But the deal didnt end there did it when Pato refused? The rhetoric continued and we should have paid the money city were asking.

so how far were the end of world stories from what actually took place?

Anyway u were pro winter transfer that milan made and i felt most of the buys were useless compared to what was on offer.

 

[jammin]

undetectable internet sarcasm.

 

[necromancer]

Anyway u were pro winter transfer that milan made and i felt most of the buys were useless compared to what was on offer.

I think I made it amply clear during that time, that I am affected little by what we do on transfers. Whoever we buy, I judge Milan when we play football. Yes, we have played poorly in 2012.

Any pro/anti transfer comments that you saw/shall see from me are all trolling comments. I dont care a single bit about the transfer market

[Ontopic]Unless they get Pirlo back. [/Ontopic]

 

[Casualista]

ok just point it out that galliani letting pirlo go being a mistake was u transfer trolling. Its much easier that way.

anyway it is a huge regret since it was a realistic transfer. The kind milan make these days. And his absence in its own way affected our run... at hindsight of course.

 

[necromancer]

I'm falling back to the view that we need a creative CM before anyone else though. The midfield has been truly terrible this season. Mid-table quality. And I dont often bash Milan in a knee-jerk fashion.

 

[Casualista]

Im falling back to around page 80 of this thread to read comments from back in 08. Pretty much all of them started going anti-pirlo around then. Even the guys who are acting his concubines at the moment were questioning "whether he belongs in starting 11 or not". Sushano actually going ga-ga over wild's criticism and acknowledging it.

Side note: There was this comment tho that i found interesting.. On how narrow we played under carletto and people blaming our narrowness on
pirlo.

Reading my own comments as well around 284. And his defensive screw ups against auxerre. Memories.

 

[sushanmilano]

Im falling back to around page 80 of this thread to read comments from back in 08. Pretty much all of them started going anti-pirlo around then. Even the guys who are acting his concubines at the moment were questioning "whether he belongs in starting 11 or not". Sushano actually going ga-ga over wild's criticism and acknowledging it.

Side note: There was this comment tho that i found interesting.. On how narrow we played under carletto and people blaming our narrowness on
pirlo.

Reading my own comments as well around 284. And his defensive screw ups against auxerre. Memories.

man it was knee jerk. we were in a really really shit position back then , i probably went at everyone not named maldini/nesta regretted it and edited it out.