Clarence Seedorf Thread

[GreatKalu]

Seedorf has been inconsistent all his career.

He is capable of being brilliant & poor in the space of afew days.

It as always been this way with Seedorf.

Somedays it as if the feel is'nt there for passing etc & other days he can do no wrong.

I think its got a lot to do with what he talks about on his blog. He believes there is too much football being played nowadays, and players and teams don't have enough time to adequately prepare for all games.

I kind of agree with him.

The solution, of course, is to get a bigger squad. More depth.

 

[Senatore_M84]

I think its got a lot to do with what he talks about on his blog. He believes there is too much football being played nowadays, and players and teams don't have enough time to adequately prepare for all games.

I kind of agree with him.

The solution, of course, is to get a bigger squad. More depth.

yeah he did an interview other day reiterating that. I kind of agree with him though. Less games is better.

The problem w/ more games and bigger squad is alot of football is crap cause you don't get to play together often enough.... when its less game and a more established 11 they have chemistry, play as a team

 

[GreatKalu]

The problem w/ more games and bigger squad is alot of football is crap cause you don't get to play together often enough.... when its less game and a more established 11 they have chemistry, play as a team

Yeah. Clarence did say this, and so did ..... DRUM ROLL ..... Brian Clough. Yeah I know, he's my "flavor of the month", but goddamn the guy was a genius. Apparently, great minds actually do think alike

 

[Ashish]

The solution, of course, is to get a bigger squad. More depth.

not too big squad, for dinho, seedorf and pirlo we need two great subs
say hernanes and cassano

cause seedorf can play either in pirlos position or in dinhos position, dinho can play in seedorf position( i think he is improving well) and pirlo plays better when he is moved up front so we dont need a total replacement, we need 5 of them killling each other for three positions that will bring best out of them, if we have bigger squad seed and dinho will throw weight around when they are substituted.

or heck sell dinho after we win a treble and retire his jersey just to show some love and bring it back after 2 years

 

[GreatKalu]

Rule number one: No player with the name "Ronaldo" deserves to have a jersey retired

 

[Ashish]

what then what people who cant do jack shit with national team should get their jersey retired ? (baresi is an exception) or whose dad lead milan once? (baresi again an exception)

go fck yourself

 

[Senatore_M84]

what then what people who cant do jack shit with national team should get their jersey retired ? (baresi is an exception) or whose dad lead milan once? (baresi again an exception)

go fck yourself

how did baresi do jack shit for his national team? lol. His 1994 performance was perhaps most legendary defensive performance ever. didn't end in PKs oh well but that happens.

what did romario say about him "hardest he's ever been marked" or something

 

[Madridista]

I think its got a lot to do with what he talks about on his blog. He believes there is too much football being played nowadays, and players and teams don't have enough time to adequately prepare for all games.

I kind of agree with him.

The solution, of course, is to get a bigger squad. More depth.

Yeah right more depth and then he will whine when subbed or left out. On his day yea he's great but hes inconsistent, wakes up only for the bigger matches and sorry to say but he isn't one of Europe's best midfielders anymore. That 'best player in the world' shit might have sounded romantic until 2-3 years ago in unsung hero kind of way, but now its simply ridiculous. He needs to be replaced, not phased out but straight out sold and a more consistent player in his place to be bought. You cant keep him just to play him against Inter and Real Madrid.

 

[Ashish]

tired gantleman kicks the bottle when he is subbed

 

[GreatKalu]

LOL @ Clarence has to be straight out replaced, while we should build a bullet proof cabin in the San Siro so that Dinho should never leave ...

Try to think objectively for once.

But yeah ... maybe someone's woman said, "you don't do it like Clarence does," and he ultimately felt encircled by the whole world, and ran off to some transvestite hookers to consolidate his insecurities

 

[DSM]

Yeah right more depth and then he will whine when subbed or left out. On his day yea he's great but hes inconsistent, wakes up only for the bigger matches and sorry to say but he isn't one of Europe's best midfielders anymore. That 'best player in the world' shit might have sounded romantic until 2-3 years ago in unsung hero kind of way, but now its simply ridiculous. He needs to be replaced, not phased out but straight out sold and a more consistent player in his place to be bought. You cant keep him just to play him against Inter and Real Madrid.

He has never been the best, he can be very good though & very ordinary.

It has been the same for around 16 years.

 

[Madridista]

LOL @ Clarence has to be straight out replaced, while we should build a bullet proof cabin in the San Siro so that Dinho should never leave ...

Try to think objectively for once.

But yeah ... maybe someone's woman said, "you don't do it like Clarence does," and he ultimately felt encircled by the whole world, and ran off to some transvestite hookers to consolidate his insecurities

What a bitter loser. I'm going to go on a limb and assume that youve been beaten a lot as a kid and youre lunch was stolen, and none of the girls liked you. And I'dprobably be right.. Too bad that its been two years and you still havent vented out your frustrations yet.

btw Ronaldinho shouldn't be safe, but I'd sure as hell rather keep him than Seedorf. Reasons - he's younger, got a bigger potential if he returns to somwehere close to his best (and he's more likely to regain that than Clarence) and he makes more assists than him. In an ideal world both would be out and Milan would have Cristiano Ronaldo and Fabregas instead of them, but if anyone is more adequate for replacing, its Seedorf.

He has never been the best, he can be very good though & very ordinary.

It has been the same for around 16 years.

Of course he has never been the best, but until 3 years ago he was ONE of the best midfielders in the world. And his trophy collection made a case for him being praised as the unsung hero, as well as the versatility. But now its just 5 games bad, one game great. From some aspect is even kinda insulting that he is shit against worse sides and good against the stronger, as if his attitude is I'll play when I want or something.

 

[Senatore_M84]

I don't this 'seedorf will wine if we bring competition' logic. Maybe when he was younger though he always competed....

He was benched for a lot of early games and didn't complain once. He's 33 knows he's 33.... and has been clear there r too many games. He's in great shape for his age but realistically we can't expect him to play 50+ matches.

Anyway whenever he's challenged he always raises his game. Its when he's trotted out twice a week for months, he gets tired/lazy and complacent

 

[Calum1903]

I should've let you do it, I'll search a article in spanish just for you to translate.

Nah, your translation was a lot better than mine.

Seedorf deserves two translations.

 

[Pedro]

admit you'd go out on a date with clarence... He seems like he'd be a real gentleman. Treat women right. Which is why i'm hoping he'll marry my sister

you would be jealous at her

you will drop time with your girlfriend, just to be with Seedorf

 

[FaraJ]

If Chelsea were to win the champions league, would Deco tie Seedorf's record of having won with three different teams?

 

[GreatKalu]

If Chelsea were to win the champions league, would Deco tie Seedorf's record of having won with three different teams?

Yeah ... that would suck! He'd still a UCL down on him though ...

gibberish

Caught a nerve, didn't?

In the end, it kinda sums you up

 

[ezekiel2517]

I should've let you do it, I'll search a article in spanish just for you to translate.

Oh look, till now I realized it was Vito de Palma (he is a milanista, right? I don't think he has ever been open about it, but his Milan articles have feelings fans can only understand, well, he is great writter).

He's a Xeinxe (prob typed it wrong, from Boca). He was very open about Ancelotti being his favorite coach, but not his team.

 

[Madridista]

Caught a nerve, didn't?

In the end, it kinda sums you up

Oh you poor thing.

In the end, Seedorf is ahead of Ronaldinho in the pecking order of necessary departures.

 

[Farouk]

In the end, Seedorf is ahead of Ronaldinho in the pecking order of necessary departures.

What. The. Fuck?

 

[Madridista]

What. The. Fuck?

thats right,a bit higher on the shitlist.

 

[KujaIX]

seedorf is a lot less likely to leave milan than dinho, seedorf may be older and worse but he offers more to the team than dinho does at the moment.

 

[Sven]

He's a Xeinxe (prob typed it wrong, from Boca). He was very open about Ancelotti being his favorite coach, but not his team.

Xeneize

 

[Pedro]

seedorf is a lot less likely to leave milan than dinho, seedorf may be older and worse but he offers more to the team than dinho does at the moment.

I'm not sure if you can call Seedorf worse. They play different positions anyway. Seedorf, Ambrosini and Pirlo have been an awesome midfield this season. Ronaldinho is playing good nowadays also though.

But we should want to keep Seedorf more than Dinho. Seedorf is one of those players, you know, you want to keep in the AC Milan family. If we lose Gattuso to his EPL dream, then losing also Seedorf, would be horrible.

How Seedorf is performing, why dropping him anyway?

 

[Farouk]

thats right,a bit higher on the shitlist.

This sentence is laughable if you compare Seedorf's professionalism which is second to none, and Ronaldinho's attitude which is nothing better than say Balotelli's.

Seedorf is possibly one of the smartest players I've ever seen play live. Until last season I probably hated him the most from our team, but I definitely hate Ronaldinho more now.

What Seedorf has done to Milan in a single season is ten times more what Ronaldinho has done to us in a lifetime. Seedorf has amazing technique, incredible shooting, and really is a big game player. Don't forget Seedorf stepped up at the beginning of this season when everyone was counting on Ronaldinho and he let us down. Also, he never complained when he wasn't used, contrary to Ronaldinho who hit out at Ancelotti for not using him and is unsatisfied with Leonardo regularly substituting him.

And off the field as well, Seedorf is ten times more important than Ronaldinho. He is a positive influence in the dressing room, a great and smart conversationalist for interviews, and has a media image of a professional. Also, while he's usually in the news for his constructive business work, and charity, human rights, etc... Ronaldiho makes headlines for his partying, drinking, sex scandals etc...

I definitely know that Seedorf is the one any sane person would rather have on his team.

btw Ronaldinho shouldn't be safe, but I'd sure as hell rather keep him than Seedorf. Reasons - he's younger, got a bigger potential if he returns to somwehere close to his best (and he's more likely to regain that than Clarence) and he makes more assists than him.

Now that's just plane funny. Ronaldinho got shipped out of Barca aged twenty seven because he couldn't care to run which caused them to drop a lot of points in away games which eventually lead to them losing the title. That's another reason why we couldn't challenge for the Scudetto last year, because when Ronaldinho was used regularly at the beginning of the season, we always dropped points in away games because we had Ronaldinho.

Seedorf has been playing full seasons since he was sixteen, he's thirty three now and he still has the ability to do it better than party boy Ronaldinho.

 

[KujaIX]

TBH if i had to pick a current milan team, id put both on the team, seedorf is a better proffesional by far but i would say dinho is a better player and has more ability, seedorf has more than most aswell but dinho has more ability to use than anyone in world football.

 

[SpartanMilan]

Dinho's ability is worthless with the amount of effort he puts in. Guys like Seedorf, Max, Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso, now those are players that work to get the most out of their ability. Dinho could still be good but he has no interest in putting in the work

 

[DSM]

TBH if i had to pick a current milan team, id put both on the team, seedorf is a better proffesional by far but i would say dinho is a better player and has more ability, seedorf has more than most aswell but dinho has more ability to use than anyone in world football.

Two players really that have been brilliant at times in their careers & poor at others.

In a Milan sense then obviously you cannot compare them because Seedorf has been brilliant for Milan in nearly 7 & ahalf years at the club.

 

[Madridista]

This sentence is laughable if you compare Seedorf's professionalism which is second to none, and Ronaldinho's attitude which is nothing better than say Balotelli's.

Ballotelli is great.

What Seedorf has done to Milan in a single season is ten times more what Ronaldinho has done to us in a lifetime.

What does that matter? If thats the logic then Maldini should have played until he's 90 and Dzeko should fuck off becaise he has never done anything for Milan, why bother even to sign him.

Seedorf has amazing technique, incredible shooting, and really is a big game player. Don't forget Seedorf stepped up at the beginning of this season when everyone was counting on Ronaldinho and he let us down. Also, he never complained when he wasn't used, contrary to Ronaldinho who hit out at Ancelotti for not using him and is unsatisfied with Leonardo regularly substituting him.

Ronaldinho has better technique, and Seedorf's shooting is better suited for american football.

You counted on Ronaldinho for the first two-three games of the season? What a letdown I have to admit. Thank God Seedorf was there to save the first two-three games of the season.

Seedorf never complained? Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Were talking about a guy who has thrown in a sulk time and time again when he was subbed off and that for all his intelligence, has a huge mouth in the media. btw Ronaldinho moaned about THE CHELSEA COACH for not putting him (which was indeed stupid from Carlo) AFTER he went. As for Leonardo subbing him, Ronaldinho does nothing but constantly praising him in the media. Therefore stfu.

And off the field as well,

Thats where I stopped reading. I don't care about off the field. Its ability on the field that counts. I don't care if Ronaldinho is the devil himself as long as he does magic on the field.

Ronaldinho got shipped out of Barca aged twenty seven because he couldn't care to run which caused them to drop a lot of points in away games which eventually lead to them losing the title. That's another reason why we couldn't challenge for the Scudetto last year, because when Ronaldinho was used regularly at the beginning of the season, we always dropped points in away games because we had Ronaldinho.

Seedorf has been playing full seasons since he was sixteen, he's thirty three now and he still has the ability to do it better than party boy Ronaldinho.

So now its Ronaldinho's fault for Barca not winning the title? Did you even watch Barca then? There was an underlying systemic problem there and it wasn't Ronaldinho. And the reason Milan couldn't challenge for the scudetto lately is not Ronaldinho, but lack of great striker, Nesta injured all the time w/ no replacement, crap fullbacks and oh yes, your 'conversationalist' probably thinking of his next piece of interview wisdom during every game against minnows, instead of actually pulling his finger, running and focusing.

 

[Farouk]

Ballotelli is great.

You have weird fetishes.

What does that matter? If thats the logic then Maldini should have played until he's 90 and Dzeko should fuck off becaise he has never done anything for Milan, why bother even to sign him.

Don't play stupid. You know what I mean. I'm saying Seedorf gave much more than Ronaldinho to Milan, and considering the fact they're both not young and lost more than half of their abilities, if one of them has to stay I'd pick Seedorf of what he offered us in the past years.

Ronaldinho has better technique, and Seedorf's shooting is better suited for american football.

Ronaldinho has the best technique I've ever seen in my lifetime. But now he can't even get past a single defender without falling over and shouting at the ref then smiling.

You counted on Ronaldinho for the first two-three games of the season? What a letdown I have to admit. Thank God Seedorf was there to save the first two-three games of the season.

Yeah. In the end winning titles come to two or three games, and we've always missed out in the last years on good position in Serie A because of shit form in some games. And as you already know, we got thrashed 4-0 in the second game of the season from Inter, so it wasn't an important game because it's only the second game of the season?!

Seedorf never complained? Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Were talking about a guy who has thrown in a sulk time and time again when he was subbed off and that for all his intelligence, has a huge mouth in the media. btw Ronaldinho moaned about THE CHELSEA COACH for not putting him (which was indeed stupid from Carlo) AFTER he went. As for Leonardo subbing him, Ronaldinho does nothing but constantly praising him in the media. Therefore stfu.

“I have clicked with Leonardo and I’m happy, although from time to time he takes me off before the end of matches."

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/20...-ronaldinho-hails-leonardo-but-takes-swipe-at

And I know he criticized Ancelotti after he left for Chelsea, but does it matter? He still was pissed for not playing, while it was proven time and time again that the team does better without him on the field. Adding to the fact that he had nothing to even signal he deserves a starting spot.

Thats where I stopped reading. I don't care about off the field. Its ability on the field that counts. I don't care if Ronaldinho is the devil himself as long as he does magic on the field.

Yep. Off the field doesn't matter. That's why Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, Vieri, etc... lost more than half of their ability in their mid or late twenties while players like Maldini and Zanetti continue consistently into their late thirties and even forty. All the partying catches up with the body sooner or later.

So now its Ronaldinho's fault for Barca not winning the title? Did you even watch Barca then? There was an underlying systemic problem there and it wasn't Ronaldinho. And the reason Milan couldn't challenge for the scudetto lately is not Ronaldinho, but lack of great striker, Nesta injured all the time w/ no replacement, crap fullbacks and oh yes, your 'conversationalist' probably thinking of his next piece of interview wisdom during every game against minnows, instead of actually pulling his finger, running and focusing.

I was saying it was one of the reasons. Not the sole and only reason. Please don't modify what I type into what suits you best. And funny you mentioned running and focusing, because all what Ronaldinho seems to be doing these days is falling over, yelling at the ref, then fucking smiling. I don't see him running even if he's life depended on it.