Clarence Seedorf Thread

When will he get rid of the black scarf?


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Australiano1980

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Flamengo was all about samba in the 80's. Thats why ppl like this team so much.

Leo is a Fanatic for Flamengo also because he is one of their products from the 80's.
 

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i wondered why fm has flamengo as one of his favorite clubs. It turns out there's a little bit of sheva in all of us...

fm?
 

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I want Clarence to be my black friend.

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admit you'd go out on a date with clarence... He seems like he'd be a real gentleman. Treat women right. Which is why i'm hoping he'll marry my sister
 

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admit you'd go out on a date with clarence... He seems like he'd be a real gentleman. Treat women right. Which is why i'm hoping he'll marry my sister


He does seem like a very charming man, and....:D, nah kidding I'm not looking for that.
 

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He is one of the most classy guy with a ball on his feet..

Maybe he lose only to Zidane.. they said Beckenbauer was classy too.. but i never saw him.
 

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Seedorfs got an interview on now on football focus here in the uk
 

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Clarence doing business with billionaire Sir Richard Branson...NO BIG DEAL.

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I have an article of him in Spanish (written by Vito de Palma, the best ever) that I know would be interesting to this forum, but I am not that great in translating.

c4m want to volunteer? :tongue: if not, I will do it... eventually.

Cuando me preguntan quien es, en mi opinión, el mejor jugador del mundo, yo no tengo dudas y largo el nombre de Clarence Seedorf, el holandés de AC Milan. La mayoría de mis interlocutores, entonces, me mira como si estuviese loco, pero cuando acabo con mis argumentos, si bien seguramente no logré convencerlos a pleno, por lo menos me queda claro que logré sembrar el germen de la duda en sus cabezas.

Comenzamos con decir que Seedorf, aún a los 33 años, es el jugador al mundo que mejor une calidad (enorme, por cierto) con cantidad. Esa fue siempre su característica más importante, desde los tiempos de su primer Champions League, ganada a los 19 años recién cumplidos con la camiseta de Ajax, en la final de Viena que el equipo holandés le ganó por 1 a 0 a Milan.

La Orejuda no es el único recuerdo lindo que le queda a Clarence de esa época inicial, en la que se desenvolvía como volante por izquierda en el esquema de Louis Van Gaal: en efecto, aún hoy sigue siendo el jugador más joven que vistió la camiseta de Ajax en la historia de ese glorioso club, puesto que debutó el 29 de noviembre de 1992, con 16 años y 242 días, para ser muy exactos.

También ganó la Champions, y relativa Intercontinental en Tokyo, vistiendo la camiseta de Real Madrid en 1998, en final ante Juventus (otra vez 1-0): una verdadera hazaña, si consideramos que el equipo merengue venía de una racha de 32 años, nada menos, sin levantar el máximo trofeo continental. En ese caso, también era volante por izquierda del 4-3-3 del entrenador alemán Jupp Heynckes.

Luego de tres años de desencuentros en Inter (el equipo nerazzurro, por cierto, pasaba por su peor momento), donde hasta llegaron a acusarle por la ida de Ronaldo, fue cambiado (a la par) por Francesco Coco y llegó a Milan. Nunca se supo exactamente quien fue el responsable en casa nerazzurra de esa "brillante" operación de mercado, pero estoy absolutamente seguro de que debe haberse arrepentido una y mil veces de haber aceptado semejante disparate.

Con la rossonera, Clarence ganó dos veces más la Champions, la primera en la misma función de volante por izquierda, en la recordada final ganada por penales a Juventus en Manchester en 2003, y luego en Atenas ante Liverpool, vencido por 2 a 0 con doblete de Inzaghi. En ese último caso, Seedorf ya se desempeñaba como enganche, en el caso específico como doble enganche, junto a Kaká detrás de un único delantero. En esa temporada, UEFA lo eligió como mejor volante de la competición.

Aclarado que ganar cuatro Orejudas con tres equipos diferentes es un récord absoluto que, en mi opinión, será prácticamente imposible quebrar, yo sigo sosteniendo que nadie, en este momento, se merecería el Balón de Oro a la "carrera" más que el holandés. Lamentablemente, el trofeo es anual y, puesto que no se lo dieron cuando se lo tenían que dar, Clarence deberá resignarse a terminar su carrera sin tenerlo jamás, pero se trata de una de las mayores injusticias de la historia del fútbol, por lo menos en mi opinión.

¿Cuáles son las características de Seedorf? En primer lugar, se trata de un hombre extremadamente inteligente: para más datos, habla corrientemente cinco idiomas y puede pasarse del italiano al español al alemán en la misma conversación y sin ningún tipo de problema. Como jugador, demuestra la misma inteligencia y versatilidad: dotado de una técnica exquisita, sabe hacer el trabajo sucio de contención porque parece entender antes donde se desarrollará la jugada y que porción de la cancha es preciso cubrir.

También el Milan actual, el que está levantando cabeza cuando todos lo daban por muerto, le debe casi todo a él, quien aceptó volver a retrasarse en la cancha y logra cumplir al mismo tiempo la función de enganche y la de volante de recuperación en un increíble 4-2-3-1, como si los 33 años no le pesaran en absoluto. Fijense, y es muy simple hacerlo, que Milan juega bien cuando él lo hace y pésimo si Clarence no aparece.

En suma, Clarence Seedorf es mi volante de cabecera y lo pondría en cualquier once ideal, actual y hasta "de todos los tiempos". No tuvo el reconocimiento que se mereció, pero guarda tantos trofeos en su repisa que no necesita nada más que eso. Cuando se vaya, no tengan dudas: será un enorme entrenador.
 

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When people ask me who, in my opinion, the best player in the world is, I have no doubt at all, his name is Clarence Seedorf, the dutchman from AC Milan. Most of my interlocutors look me as if I’m crazy, but when I end with my arguments, even if I didn’t convinced them, at least it’s clear to me that I left them thinking about it in their heads.

We start by saying that Seedorf, even at 33, is the best player in the world when it comes to quality (enormous, btw) with quantity. That was always his best characteristic, since the times of his first CL at age 19, with Ajax, in the final in Viena, when the dutch team beat them 1-0.

That CL isn’t the only nice memory that Clarence have from that time, when he started as LM in Van Gaal’s system: still today he is the youngest player to have debuted with Ajax’s shirt, since he started out on November 29th, 1992, with 16 years and 242 days.

He also won the CL (vs Juventus, 1-0) and the Intercontinental Cup in Tokyo, while wearing RM’s shirt back in 1998: a big achievement, if we consider that los merengues had a 32 year drought without winning a CL. During those days, he was also a LM, in the 4-3-3 system of Jupp Heynckes.

After 3 years of mishaps at Inter (the nerazzurri were at their worse momento), where they even accused him for Ronaldo’s departure (LOL), he was traded for Francesco Coco and he arrived to Milan. No one ever knew who was responsible for his departure, who was the mastermind behind such a “brilliant” transfer, but I’m sure that person must have regret a thousand times for accepting such nonsense.

With the rossoneri shirt, Clarence won 2 more times the CL, the first one as a LM again, in the remembered final won in pks against Juventus in Manchester (2003), and the second one, in Athens against Liverpool, 2-0 (2-1), with a double by Inzaghi. This last time, Seedorf was playing as a AM, next to Kaká, behind just one striker. That season, UEFA chose him as the best midfielder of the competition.

Making it clear that winning 2 CLs with 3 different teams is an absolute record, that IMO, will be almost impossible to break, I still hold the fact that no one, in this moment, deserves a Ballon D’ Or for his career more than the Dutchman. Sadly, the trophy is annual, and since it wasn’t given to him when it could’ve been, Clarence will have to retire without ever winning it, but it’s one of the biggest injustices in football’s history, at least IMO.

What are Seedorf’s characteristics? Firstly, we’re talking about n extremely inteligent man: he speaks 5 languages, and he can pass from talking in italian, to spanish, to german in the same conversation, without any sort of problem. As a player, he shows the same intelligence and versatility: gifted with an exquisite technique, he knows how to do the dirty work of a DM cause he seems to know where an attack will develop and which part of the field is needed to cover.
Also, today’s Milan, the team that is lifting it’s head when everyone thought it was dead, owes almost everything to him, since he decided to go further behind, and so he does a CM and AM role in an incredible 4-2-3-1, as if those 33 years didn’t weight on him at all. Just look at it, Milan plays well when he plays well, and sucks when he doesn’t appear.

Summing up, Clarence Seedorf is my midfielder of choice (¿?, expression I’m not familiar with), and I would use him in my best first 11 right now and till the end of time. He never got the recognition he deserved, but he has so many trophies, that he doesn’t really need more than that. When he retires, don’t even doubt it: he’ll be an amazing coach.
The guy has a total man crush on Clarence, he just missed to comment on his wonderful smile and I would've thought it was M84 :D. But the man is not alone, my brother has always said that Seedorf, when he wants to, is the best player on earth, there's no one like him, and I kind of agree, but it's usually when he feels like it (that said, even if it's when he feels like it, the guy is maybe the most underrated player of his time).
 

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The one thing about Clarence's game that has been almost always consistent/constant is his remarkable first touch and control ... and his (football) intelligence. I agree ... no doubt he'll make an excellent coach.
 

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lol he was utter shit in serie a for last two season barring that derby against printer when peerlo was injured, he is a wonderful player when he wants. but other times he doesnt want to run.

in cl he raise his game but he needs a good replacement to keep him on his toes, this year he want to prove milan is something more than kaka, and i hope he succeeds bastard is one of the best number 10 he wants to be but then thats leos job to make seedorf play well in every single match.

anway we need a replacement for him, but these type of players are rare these days
 

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Fuck. I thought you'd just quoted that article in Spanish c4m, so I had a go at translating it. Seems you beat me to it and made a better job of it. Glorious waste of time!
 
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Always worth a mention.

Champion.

A year ago I would have said De Palma went crazy, but after seeing that really, when he plays good the whole team looks different (at the Bernabeu for example), I am at least convinced he is better than I thought.

Also, I've been reading this man's articles for over a year now, and he is most certainly the best football writer I've seen and isn't a biased one (like say, a Milan or Ajax fan).
 
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If he wants to he can play amazing, all in all he's a great player.
He got older, but he can still play great matches and work hard and I hope he always wants to fight because then he can create a lot of chances and help the team.
 

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if seedorf play great Milan also play great when I saw him against Madrid he run much more than other and wanted to win more than other wanted, SEEDORF is Champions
 

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Seedorf has been inconsistent all his career.

He is capable of being brilliant & poor in the space of afew days.

It as always been this way with Seedorf.

Somedays it as if the feel is'nt there for passing etc & other days he can do no wrong.
 

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Good read ezekiel :)

Somedays it as if the feel is'nt there for passing etc & other days he can do no wrong.

True that.

I do occasionally imagine who would entertain people more if there was a competition between Ronaldinho, Zizou and Seedorf at their best. :D
 

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Fuck. I thought you'd just quoted that article in Spanish c4m, so I had a go at translating it. Seems you beat me to it and made a better job of it. Glorious waste of time!
I should've let you do it, I'll search a article in spanish just for you to translate.

Oh look, till now I realized it was Vito de Palma (he is a milanista, right? I don't think he has ever been open about it, but his Milan articles have feelings fans can only understand, well, he is great writter).
 
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