Clarence Seedorf Thread

[Sonny.Bill.Williams]

Dorfs case IMO is very similar to Dinho . . .statistically they have been good with dorf himself having assisted twice . . . one game giving us the lead and another salvaging a point . . . so far (IIRC) he has not been directly at fault for any of our goals conceded . . .people should forget about ''what if's'' as it has no relevance to what took place on the pitch . . . i'd also say he needs to play quicker. . he slows us down and IMO often goes against the grain (trying to hold on to the ball when a blatant easy pass is available) . . . i don't believe he has been as lazy as many make him out to be . . . he could put in the extra effort . . . but hey so could many in our team . . Football is a results orientated business , Dorf has produced the two assists in 5 games (?not sure) which is IMO acceptable. . considering the rest intervals between matches. . .that being said i do think Ale. should limit the usage of him and gradually intergrate youngsters like Merkel and Verdi,but Dorf is still a very valuable squad member

 

[joyrider]

nice performance against parma, dorf will play more this season

 

[ww]

Yes, it is. And I don't understand this rule at all. It's to protect the little talent Brazil produces? lol

And it's also counter productive. Brazilian teams would rule South America if they could sign more argentinans, uruguaians, chileans or whatever.

It's not about racism of course, but some xenophobic nationalism certainly has a part is this kind of draconians rules.

Actually it's not little talent. There are always a bunch of great players rising in Brazil. But some of them move to the middle east or some strange country like Ucrayne and Japan too early then instead of developing, they just only their motivation to play football while make lots of money.

Remember Pedrinho, that played for Palmeiras? When he was in Al-Ittihad, he said that they have some "interesting things" on Saudi Arabia and one of these things is that the players get paid when they score during the penalty trainning.

Can you imagine how Thiago Neves would be performing now if he had kept playing for Fluminense? He would now be ****** on Brasileirão or at least on a big. It would be a way better option to develop his skills than playing where he is now: Al Hilal.

He might not even have friends there since the biggest part of the team are arabs. Imagine a teammate coming to him and saying: "Hey, Thiago, let's hang out tonight watching sheeps getting slaughtered".

I agree with this brazilian rule of 3 foreigners max. Brazil is a fucked up poor country and a huge amount of these miserable brazilian kids depend on football for living. Sure, they won't all be Kakás and Ronaldos but if one of them reach a team like Ponte Preta on the Serie B, this is a big deal. The wage that this kid is gonna get will make a huge difference on his life. It would make the life of this kid way better than working as a slave for some corrupt landowner at the north.

Then if this kid get signed by some japanese team, he'll maybe be way richer then a lot of brazlian lawyers and engineers.

This rule is good because in Brazil, it goes beyond football.

 

[Senatore_M84]

i think sven was being sarcastic about 'little talent'. Like not having that rule would stop brazil from producing....


I don't think it matters because brazil clubs still have to produce talent to not go bankrupt. Like you said, outside a couple clubs on occasion they can't afford to 'splash the market' like european clubs.

 

[Sven]

Actually it's not little talent. There are always a bunch of great players rising in Brazil. But some of them move to the middle east or some strange country like Ucrayne and Japan too early then instead of developing, they just only their motivation to play football while make lots of money.

Remember Pedrinho, that played for Palmeiras? When he was in Al-Ittihad, he said that they have some "interesting things" on Saudi Arabia and one of these things is that the players get paid when they score during the penalty trainning.

Can you imagine how Thiago Neves would be performing now if he had kept playing for Fluminense? He would now be ****** on Brasileirão or at least on a big. It would be a way better option to develop his skills than playing where he is now: Al Hilal.

He might not even have friends there since the biggest part of the team are arabs. Imagine a teammate coming to him and saying: "Hey, Thiago, let's hang out tonight watching sheeps getting slaughtered".

I agree with this brazilian rule of 3 foreigners max. Brazil is a fucked up poor country and a huge amount of these miserable brazilian kids depend on football for living. Sure, they won't all be Kakás and Ronaldos but if one of them reach a team like Ponte Preta on the Serie B, this is a big deal. The wage that this kid is gonna get will make a huge difference on his life. It would make the life of this kid way better than working as a slave for some corrupt landowner at the north.

Then if this kid get signed by some japanese team, he'll maybe be way richer then a lot of brazlian lawyers and engineers.

This rule is good because in Brazil, it goes beyond football.

Didn't Thiago Neves return to Fluminense after a flop in Germany saying: "I'm making a step back now to make two step forwards in the future" or something? I remember that he was not very good in his return prior to move to Al Hial...

But you see, I'm talking about this rule in Série A, there is maybe less than 0,01% of all the players in Brazil, just the elite. When a player reach this level he will never have financial problems anyway, if he can't find a place in Cruzeiro because of the foreigners in the team, he will find another club easily. The social impact of this law would be non-existant. We are talking about only 30 or 40 more players in 20 clubs. That's nothing in an universe of 30 mil players or so.

The low-division clubs almost never uses the 3 spots for foreigners they have now anyway. It will not harm then.

And also, I believe the upgrade in quality for the clubs in Libertadores and the general upgrade in the league that this can bring, will certainly made for it.

I agree about this arabian and japonese clubs btw. They are awful in developing talent, in Saudi they barely train. But in Ukraine I don't think this is the case. Clubs like Shakthar and Dynamo looks like great growing talent lately, and they are competitive too.

But the laws can't make nothing about players who leave Brazil. Nobody can force a player to stay in Brazil if he wants to leave and get some cash. One can argue that this is not a smart choice of career, but is simply his right if he decides to go.

 

[ww]

Didn't Thiago Neves return to Fluminense after a flop in Germany saying: "I'm making a step back now to make two step forwards in the future" or something? I remember that he was not very good in his return prior to move to Al Hial...

But you see, I'm talking about this rule in Série A, there is maybe less than 0,01% of all the players in Brazil, just the elite. When a player reach this level he will never have financial problems anyway, if he can't find a place in Cruzeiro because of the foreigners in the team, he will find another club easily. The social impact of this law would be non-existant. We are talking about only 30 or 40 more players in 20 clubs. That's nothing in an universe of 30 mil players or so.

The low-division clubs almost never uses the 3 spots for foreigners they have now anyway. It will not harm then.

And also, I believe the upgrade in quality for the clubs in Libertadores and the general upgrade in the league that this can bring, will certainly made for it.

I agree about this arabian and japonese clubs btw. They are awful in developing talent, in Saudi they barely train. But in Ukraine I don't think this is the case. Clubs like Shakthar and Dynamo looks like great growing talent lately, and they are competitive too.

But the laws can't make nothing about players who leave Brazil. Nobody can force a player to stay in Brazil if he wants to leave and get some cash. One can argue that this is not a smart choice of career, but is simply his right if he decides to go.

I'm not sure about it. Maybe it would make happen the same as Italy, where the italians are barely going to UCL.

I think that this law of 3 foreigners max forces the clubs to use their basis. The result is that the clubs only sign with foreigners that will really make the difference, like São Paulo with Lugano and Inter with Guinazu and D'Alessandro.

The problem with Ucrayne is that it's a boring and cold country. Brazilian players usually don't like to live there. It's hard to adapt.

I don't know what happened to Thiago in Hamburg but sometimes the enviroment, coach and some other factors have a huge influence. But maybe he could have the same path than Forlán, that didn't make it in the EPL but did it on La Liga. Thiago doesn't have the same balls as Forlán but he's damn skilled and objective.

Now I don't know if he will ever play that good again. I think that he'll just keep his career going ease and making lots of money without much struggling.

That's a pity cause I loved her football. I hope that the same doesn't happen with Giuliano.

 

[acmilan4ever]

The problem with Ucrayne is that it's a boring and cold country. Brazilian players usually don't like to live there. It's hard to adapt.

That's a pity cause I loved her football. I hope that the same doesn't happen with Giuliano.

2 things that might upset you or piss you off,

1) Brazilians have adapted and are actually succeeding in Ukraine ( Luiz Adriano, Jadson, Willian and Douglas Costa @ Shakhtar) If you watch the UCL, take my word for it, they might reach the round of 16 and who knows maybe even further. All this because of the 3-4 Brazilians and one Croatian.

2) A while back i had read that Dynamo Kiev was interested in Jucilei and Giuliano but made the move for Jucilei and he rejected. Giuliano has had offers from Russia too (Dinamo & Spartak Moscow) I think hes waiting for someone else, someone bigger.

 

[Ibra]

nom nom nom nom

 

[ww]

2 things that might upset you or piss you off,

1) Brazilians have adapted and are actually succeeding in Ukraine ( Luiz Adriano, Jadson, Willian and Douglas Costa @ Shakhtar) If you watch the UCL, take my word for it, they might reach the round of 16 and who knows maybe even further. All this because of the 3-4 Brazilians and one Croatian.

2) A while back i had read that Dynamo Kiev was interested in Jucilei and Giuliano but made the move for Jucilei and he rejected. Giuliano has had offers from Russia too (Dinamo & Spartak Moscow) I think hes waiting for someone else, someone bigger.

There are brazilians doing well all around the world. And they feel better when they have brazilian teammates.

But yes, moving to Ucrayne is better than moving to the middle east.

 

[Sven]

2) A while back i had read that Dynamo Kiev was interested in Jucilei and Giuliano but made the move for Jucilei and he rejected. Giuliano has had offers from Russia too (Dinamo & Spartak Moscow) I think hes waiting for someone else, someone bigger.

Internacional spended a crazy money (for brazilian standards) to get Giuliano's full rights from Traffic and Paraná, something like 7 or 8 millions. He will just leave for big money I think.

 

[ww]

Internacional spended a crazy money (for brazilian standards) to get Giuliano's full rights from Traffic and Paraná, something like 7 or 8 millions. He will just leave for big money I think.

Reais?

 

[Senatore_M84]

I'm not sure about it. Maybe it would make happen the same as Italy, where the italians are barely going to UCL.
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then why wasnt this a problem with 2006 italy team? Serie A was much stronger then. They had same number of foreigners in 2006 as 2010. I think it has nothing to do with foreigner rule. Italy has a problem giving youth a chance period. Look at a kid like luca cigarini. Every coach praises him as being special midfielder w/ NT future. He can't get time in any italian club now he's in spain in sevilla and starting...looked good his last two games too. I'm not saying he will be next pirlo or anything but you can't tell me he's not good enough to play at mid table clubs in italy he was at...

La Liga has similar number of foreign players and they are producing a lot of spanish players... best ones in years too. Germany has MORE foreigners than serie A and la liga and look at strength or german team

 

[Sven]

Reais?

Just checked, Internacional paid R$ 4,5 M to Paraná to have 50% of his rights in 2008 and this summer + R$ 8 M for the others 50% from Traffic...

 

[ww]

then why wasnt this a problem with 2006 italy team? Serie A was much stronger then. They had same number of foreigners in 2006 as 2010. I think it has nothing to do with foreigner rule. Italy has a problem giving youth a chance period. Look at a kid like luca cigarini. Every coach praises him as being special midfielder w/ NT future. He can't get time in any italian club now he's in spain in sevilla and starting...looked good his last two games too. I'm not saying he will be next pirlo or anything but you can't tell me he's not good enough to play at mid table clubs in italy he was at...

La Liga has similar number of foreign players and they are producing a lot of spanish players... best ones in years too. Germany has MORE foreigners than serie A and la liga and look at strength or german team

Italy is one of the best football's nation and most of these players started to play football in the 90's. It's not cause Brazil produces more than them that Brazil's gonna win every single WC.

And like I said before, the football in Brazil goes beyond the sport. In Italy, you won't be a miserable fucked up person if you don't play football but in Brazil, lots of people have their life saved because of this sport.

You don't have an idea about how many kids come from the north and north-east to try to play for Flamengo, São Paulo, Corinthians, Vasco, Palmeiras...

Just to give an example, Hernanes is from São Paulo basis but he didn't born in São Paulo (the city). He's from Recife.

Now look at Roma. They have Menez and Vucinic on their attack. Two mediocre players. That would "never happen" in Brazil and if it happened, would be just bad.

If this happened in Brazil, the youngster from the basis who lost the chance for a Menez and a Vucinic would need to move to a smaller club. In this smaller club, they would take the chance of other 2 youngsters that would probably have the same path and so on.

One more thing. Other than Italy or any european league, brazilian clubs are way more balanced in terms of titles and finances. Now imagine this happening on São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense and Grêmio.

A huge amount of fucked up poor kids would keep being slaves in their fucked up north or north-eastern states just to give place to players like Menez and Vucinic.

And Spain still sucks at producing talent. Without Barça, they're nothing.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Italy is one of the best football's nation and most of these players started to play football in the 90's. It's not cause Brazil produces more than them that Brazil's gonna win every single WC.

they were still uneffected by foriegner rule. Look at lazio team nesta broke into, roma team totti broke into... very foriegn player heavy. It wasnt some protectionist team....

And like I said before, the football in Brazil goes beyond the sport. In Italy, you won't be a miserable fucked up person if you don't play football but in Brazil, lots of people have their life saved because of this sport.

You don't have an idea about how many kids come from the north and north-east to try to play for Flamengo, São Paulo, Corinthians, Vasco, Palmeiras...

Just to give an example, Hernanes is from São Paulo basis but he didn't born in São Paulo (the city). He's from Recife.

I don't get your point. I'm not trying to give you a cultural lesson, i just dont see how rule helps it.

Now look at Roma. They have Menez and Vucinic on their attack. Two mediocre players. That would "never happen" in Brazil and if it happened, would be just bad.

vucinic is very good. Menez is still only 22, and improving.

If this happened in Brazil, the youngster from the basis who lost the chance for a Menez and a Vucinic would need to move to a smaller club. In this smaller club, they would take the chance of other 2 youngsters that would probably have the same path and so on.

Thats italy's problem. Like I said you don't see this in Germany or Spain as much. All the young villareal players got riquelme out of first team. Aimar, Joaquin (established players) lost there spots to youngsters and on and on.

How about germany? Same thing

One more thing. Other than Italy or any european league, brazilian clubs are way more balanced in terms of titles and finances. Now imagine this happening on São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense and Grêmio.

irelevant point. True but irelevant.

And Spain still sucks at producing talent. Without Barça, they're nothing.

sevilla, valencia, bibao off top of my head produce well.... watch out for bilbao. Basques....


barcelona is clearly best at producing in spain but they got kids coming thru daily who are highly promising and as long as they aren't dumb enough to go to real madrid they end up growing real well

 

[ww]

they were still uneffected by foriegner rule. Look at lazio team nesta broke into, roma team totti broke into... very foriegn player heavy. It wasnt some protectionist team....



I don't get your point. I'm not trying to give you a cultural lesson, i just dont see how rule helps it.



vucinic is very good. Menez is still only 22, and improving.



Thats italy's problem. Like I said you don't see this in Germany or Spain as much. All the young villareal players got riquelme out of first team. Aimar, Joaquin (established players) lost there spots to youngsters and on and on.

How about germany? Same thing



irelevant point. True but irelevant.




sevilla, valencia, bibao off top of my head produce well.... watch out for bilbao. Basques....


barcelona is clearly best at producing in spain but they got kids coming thru daily who are highly promising and as long as they aren't dumb enough to go to real madrid they end up growing real well

Yeah but who knows what italian would be playing for Roma now if it weren't for Menez and Vucinic. And I keep my statement, they're very mediocre.

The brazilian north and north-eastern are VERY poor. They live like shit. This is a typical scenario of there (taken from the documentary "Garapa"):

And a bunch of kids from these fucked up places make their lives and also their family's way better coming to southeast (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais) and south (Paraná, Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul) to play football for big clubs like São Paulo, Flamengo, Internacional... or even smaller ones like Ponte Preta, Avaí, Atlético Paranaense, Juventude...

Football provides a better life for a bunch of miserable kids in Brazil.

That's what I said that:

One more thing. Other than Italy or any european league, brazilian clubs are way more balanced in terms of titles and finances. Now imagine this happening on São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense and Grêmio.

Imagine if all of these top clubs started to give chances to players like Menez and Vucinic instead of using their youngsters. It would be the beginning or a disgrace for a bunch or young brazilians who not only want to play football but also NEED to play football.

Germany is developing their youngsters great but they're also being smartasses. Now it seems like everyone is abble to become german and play for the NT.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Whose fault is that though? The system...... or the clubs? I think its the latter. They could easily give youngsters a chance if they wanted to. No one is forcing them to go buy foreign players.

and your german point is BS. Name one example of what you're saying? Ozil, Khedira, Boateng are all GERMAN. Born and raised there.... no different than brazil who has peopke of all different ethnic backgrounds. Podolski moved to germany before his 2nd bday and klose by age 6. Let's not act like they are deco or camorenesi nationalizing in there 20s...

vucinic aint mediocre. I can get menez though he's young and improving (and now french NT) but Vucinic is a very good combative player. I find it weird you don't like him and like Hulk and Kuyt. He's as better version of both. Plays every role, 100% effort.


I'm now 100% convinced you havent watched vucinic if you don't rate him. He's exactly type of player you'd like

 

[ww]

Whose fault is that though? The system...... or the clubs? I think its the latter. They could easily give youngsters a chance if they wanted to. No one is forcing them to go buy foreign players.

and your german point is BS. Name one example of what you're saying? Ozil, Khedira, Boateng are all GERMAN. Born and raised there.... no different than brazil who has peopke of all different ethnic backgrounds. Podolski moved to germany before his 2nd bday and klose by age 6. Let's not act like they are deco or camorenesi nationalizing in there 20s...

vucinic aint mediocre. I can get menez though he's young and improving (and now french NT) but Vucinic is a very good combative player. I find it weird you don't like him and like Hulk and Kuyt. He's as better version of both. Plays every role, 100% effort.


I'm now 100% convinced you havent watched vucinic if you don't rate him. He's exactly type of player you'd like

The human being love pathways and confortable choices. Otherwise there wouldn't be people smoking cigarettes and then trying to stop it.

This system of 3 foreigners max forces the clubs to give these miserable but talented kids a chance to be great footballers.

In Brazil, the coaches do a lot something that isn't usually done in Europe: They develop players even after they are professionals.

In Europe, the clubs get rid of a bunch of players without even testing them in different ways of trying to develop their skills. In Brazil, the insistence to get the best of the players is way bigger.

If there weren't for this rule, the clubs would just go around South-America and even Africa looking for more matured players instead of insisting on the brazilians.

I'm not biased about Germany since I'm okay with their mentality. But it's not that hard to be a foreigner and play for their team. And you forgot about Cacau, Kuraniy and Asamoah.

I think that Vucinic is some kind of Pepe. He's a hard worker but it's not enough to overwhelm his lack of skills. Kuyt and Hulk are actually skilled and they have lots of mommens to prove it. During his Feyenoord years, Kuyt was actually more skill than struggle.

But my point is that it's hard to believe that Italy doesn't have any italian who could play the same or better than Menez and Vucinic.

Milan even came to the point of having the argentinean Leandro Grimi on the team. There might even be some italians better than him on the Serie B.

And how about Oduamandi? I never saw anything special on him and if Milan basis don't have an italian who can do better than him, it's just a proof of how poor is the investment on the youngsters.

 

[Senatore_M84]

vucinic has 1000 more skil than pepe. He's a good player. His only real qeakness for me is finishing. VERY hit or miss

And how about Oduamandi? I never saw anything special on him and if Milan basis don't have an italian who can do better than him, it's just a proof of how poor is the investment on the youngsters.

Odu's only 20. And was a top performer on youth level. I dunno why people kill him. It's probably cause of his appearance. Goofy looking kid. Dunno if he'll make it but wahtever.

Nice assist in pre-season:



I dunno if he'll make it but the more talented kids in his position are still only 17/18 so milan chooses to play them in primavera than warm bench. I really like simone Verdi's chances but he's tiny and barely 18 so give it time

 

[ww]

vucinic has 1000 more skil than pepe. He's a good player. His only real qeakness for me is finishing. VERY hit or miss



Odu's only 20. And was a top performer on youth level. I dunno why people kill him. It's probably cause of his appearance. Goofy looking kid. Dunno if he'll make it but wahtever.

Nice assist in pre-season:
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I dunno if he'll make it but the more talented kids in his position are still only 17/18 so milan chooses to play them in primavera than warm bench. I really like simone Verdi's chances but he's tiny and barely 18 so give it time

I don't really mind about looks but Odu actually has the kind of physic that I usually like on football players. A little more muscles and he would be great.

But Milan's youth basis is a goddamn shit. The only kinda good player formed by Milan in the last 10 years that I can remember is Borriello. Then there are Antonini and Abate and they're both average.

And it's not that hard to form some good players. I don't mean great, I mean just good. Milan have enough money to send scouters to everywhere in the Italy and the world looking for good youngsters.

My hopes are now concentrated on Merkel.

 

[Sven]

I don't really mind about looks but Odu actually has the kind of physic that I usually like on football players. A little more muscles and he would be great.

But Milan's youth basis is a goddamn shit. The only kinda good player formed by Milan in the last 10 years that I can remember is Borriello. Then there are Antonini and Abate and they're both average.

And it's not that hard to form some good players. I don't mean great, I mean just good. Milan have enough money to send scouters to everywhere in the Italy and the world looking for good youngsters.

My hopes are now concentrated on Merkel.

Yes, Milan youth was shit, but still there is a lot of good players in Serie A who are raised in Milan. But very few Milan material really.

But if you look in the primavera thread, it all changed when Pederzoli, Galli and others take control some time ago. Galliani himself anounced some kind of revolution. Actually much more money has being spended from some time now with youngsters than years ago, and all looks like working better. Primavera won the Cup last year for the first time in ages and that's a good sign.

Also, we are not used to buy expensive players like Zigoni, Fossati, Hottor, Carmona and etc for the Primavera before. The players in the squad right now are way more high-rated than in other seasons, a lot of them called to their respective International level.

Youth investment don't make short time impact, and it's just one year and half since it all improved. It will take some seasons until some of this kids eventualy break into first team.

 

[Paladin]

I think the time will soon come when Allegri can start to play youngster, but for the moment he has to get Milan going, but when this team work good, and have secure the lead in games, it´s more easy to sub in young player.

But, if we will winn with only 1 goal, it give us problem play the younger.

If Ibra Dinho and Binho have score in first half against Parma(4-0), then Allegri can set in 3 youngster in the second half, this is the best way, to get the younger playing time.

And they can play without pressuare!! but for now when we are having problem to winn the games, i doubt that Allegri will give mutch time for them.

 

[Sod-Lod]

Seedorf doubts Kaka will return Monday 11 October, 2010

Clarence Seedorf feels reports linking Ricky Kaka with a return to Italy either with Inter or Milan are preposterous.

The Italian media strongly believe that the Brazil international is on his way back to San Siro after failing to make an impact at Real Madrid.

He has been frequently linked with Inter, but a visit from his dad to Milan's training ground last week has sent the rumour mill into overdrive.

Kaka left Milan last summer after six glorious seasons in red and black.

When asked about the speculation at a sponsor's event, Seedorf said: “It's unreal.

“Ricardo is a friend, but I don't believe there is any truth in this.

“He is recovering from injury. I hope he gets back in shape soon.”

The veteran Dutch midfield then reflected on his efforts to earn a new contract at Milan.

“I am trying to show my desire every time that I go out on the pitch. There are no problems. Right now, I see myself at Milan.

“I am not thinking about finishing my career, and this is an advantage.”

 

[Senatore_M84]

no homo?

 

[Ibra]

“I am trying to show my desire every time that I go out on the pitch. There are no problems. Right now, I see myself at Milan.

“I am not thinking about finishing my career, and this is an advantage.”

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Some people end things on a high note, some try to milk every last drop
and leave the cow for dead. The only ADVANTAGE i see is for Mr Seedorfs wallet and ego.

 

[Wet Ones]

“I am not thinking about finishing my career, and this is an advantage.”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[GreatKalu]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Sheva trying to get the chicks attention
Clarence smiles to the crowd
Chick is mesmerized by Clarence's presence.

 

[MilanMB]

I am not thinking about finishing my career

Please continue somewhere else.

 

[joyrider]

Please continue somewhere else.

maybe we canuse him as a sub in the 60 minute

 

[Senatore_M84]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Sheva trying to get the chicks attention
Clarence smiles to the crowd
Chick is mesmerized by Clarence's presence.

clarence probably fucked her. God ronaldos gf, clooneys gf. Clarence....... stud