CL: AC Milan (2) vs Barcelona (3) - 23/11/11

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Sure bro, Whatever makes you happy

i want montolivo in january

i want balotelli , eriksen, ganso, neymar .

i also want Mvila

i also hope to reach puberty by next transfer window
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Alexis Sanchez worries me a lot! he played great games against us with Udinese and I think if Barca are going to win, Sanchez will be the star! I want Zambrotta to break Alexis's leg in the first 5 minutes :o
 

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haha true true, after browsing this forum a few times i've seen there are a few complete nutters who haven't a clue :lol: Prince/Balotelli has swag springs to mind.

you shut your whore mouth and GTFO
 

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Hello,

Me and my nephew are from Holland and we are going to Milan tomorrow. We do not have tickets for the match AC Milan - FC Barcelona but we do want to go to the match.

Are there still any tickets available at the moment? We are looking for two (cheap?) tickets for the match tomorrow.

Greetings from the Netherlands

Hello,

The tickets to this game were sold only to member-card holders. It's really tough to get. Not to mention this is an international forum, which means most of us don't visit San Siro(or do it once or twice a year). I know this doesn't help you much but it's just info not to get your hopes up.

Best of luck and greetings from Estonia and Red and Black forums.
 

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Shut it xaviesta, you Bartha fan and get out :o:o:o
 

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are you sure?

you can read that?

I would take the mick about your name, but that would be a bit lame now wouldn't it

dude, your name still says xaviesta.
 
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are you sure?

you can read that?

I would take the mick about your name, but that would be a bit lame now wouldn't it

wait a minute.. are you one of those kids that dropped out of college, spends a lot of time playing video games, is a tad overweight, jerks off a few times a day due to boredom, lives with his mother, and takes it out on internet boards?


Yeah- I'll bet you are. There's really no point to you stepping in here and trying to go heads up with the 'nutters'- which by the way is such a fucking UK word I want to vomit.

You're a teen and you don't know your ass from your elbow.
 

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Bandini: Ibra’s “entire career has been built on a desire for revenge”
Posted by Paolo Bandini under Players on Nov 22, 2011

ibra.jpg


In amongst all the bluster and braggadocio that makes up his autobiography – the tales of stealing bikes and driving cars at 325kmh, of falling asleep drunk in a bathtub after winning the title with Juventus and of kicking Antonio Cassano in the head after taking one with Milan – Zlatan Ibrahimovic does actually say one or two things that are rather revealing. In fact he says quite a few, talking candidly about his father’s problems with drink, for instance, and the way that his mother would hit him with wooden spoon until it snapped.

But the section that seems most pertinent ahead of a key Champions League game against Barcelona regards Ibrahimovic’s time at the Catalan club. Chances are you’ve already heard the top lines: the striker’s rants about how Pep Guardiola ignored him, about how the manager “drove him like a Fiat 500”, instead of the Ferrari he believed himself to be. The bit where Ibrahimovic tells his then boss “You have no balls” and “You shit yourself in front of Mourinho”.

Much of what is written in these passages is, as Graham Hunter wrote this week,nothing but sheer self-indulgence. Ibrahimovic rails at Guardiola for telling him what to drive – “here we don’t come to training in a Ferrari or Porsche” – for expecting him to run so much and for arranging the team’s formation around Lionel Messi. But every now and then he also cuts to the chase. “On the pitch I was still doing well,” notes Ibrahimovic at one point. “But I wasn’t enjoying myself.”

Objectivity is often hard to come by when discussing a player as divisive as Ibra, yet his assertion regarding on-pitch performance can certainly be backed by statistics. In 29 league games for Barcelona – six of which he started as a substitute – he scored 16 goals and created seven assists. In the Champions League he scored four in 10, and set up two more. His strikes included a winner against Real Madrid, a brace away to Arsenal and an equaliser his team had scarcely merited in Stuttgart.

Yet the fact Ibra was scoring goals is what makes his intimation that he was not having fun seem poignant. Any player might feel unhappy after getting off on the wrong foot with a new manager, but for a striker to no longer relish connecting ball with net is another thing entirely. Which raises the question: was Barcelona’s biggest mistake was identifying Ibrahimovic as such in the first place?

The Swede had arrived on the back of a season in which he struck 25 times in Serie A alone – enough to make him that year’s Capocannoniere – and was certainly sold to the Barcelona-supporting public as a great goalscorer, one whose height and power would give the team a new dimension. A classic target-man who could provide goals just as well as the departing Samuel Eto’o had, while also serving as the fixed point around which Barcelona’s constellation of talents would orbit.

Yet the reality is that goals might never have been an obsession for Ibrahimovic, as much as a means for making himself the centre of attention. The chance to drop back, to execute a clever assist or even just an outrageous flick can be just as effective in that regard. As he would tell Guardiola in one of the conversations that precipitated the collapse of their relationship, “if it was just a goalscorer you wanted you should have bought [Pippo] Inzaghi.”

At one point in the book he even recounts how Fabio Capello sat him down alone in front of a VHS showing every goal Marco Van Basten had ever scored, and within minutes he was contemplating whether he could get away with sneaking out (he eventually did).If scoring goals only held limited interest then watching others was positively dull. In the end Ibrahimovic’s greatest motivation for scoring was not internally driven at all, but stemmed largely from the desire to prove others’ wrong.

“My entire career has been built on a desire for revenge,” he notes at one point in the book, and his reaction to finally becoming Capocannoniere in 2009 illustrates the point. “When I arrived in Italy, people said I didn’t know how to score goals,” declared Ibrahimovic in the immediate aftermath of a 4-3 win over Atalanta on the last day of that season. “Now I have shown them.”

Two years on, now he has the opportunity to show Guardiola something. On top of their personal differences, Ibrahimovic protests at length in his book about the decision to move Messi – at the Argentinian’s request – back into the middle of the park. It was a change that he felt trapped him in a box, limiting his freedom of movement and ensuring that the team’s passes in that area of the pitch would be focused more towards the Argentinian. Ibra would be in position to score goals, sure, but not to express himself as he would wish.

Now at Milan, Ibrahimovic is once again the undisputed king of the castle – perhaps not totally unconstrained by tactics and formations but certainly free to interpret a game as he sees fit within Massimiliano Allegri’s 4-3-1-2. Increasingly, it seems Ibrahimovic’s instinct is to hang deep – spending less time in the area than sat outside it, looking for ways to release his team-mates inside it. At times against Fiorentina this weekend he looked less like a centre-forward than a trequartista.

That is in part a reflection of his growing realisation of the way his body is changing as it ages – another point he acknowledges in the book, saying that he has become a “weighty but explosive attacker who must play with a bit more guile in order to manage an entire match”. He is all too aware of the need to conserve energy in this part of the season in order to avoid a repeat of the February burn-out he suffered last time out.

But it is also perhaps another case of Ibrahimovic setting out for revenge, seeking to show Guardiola just what he missed out on by attempting to limit the player’s freedom. Tomorrow night at San Siro, he will have the opportunity to make his point in person


http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog...areer-has-been-built-on-a-desire-for-revenge/
 

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actually not really i'm a huge admirer of both Xavi and Iniesta and like Barcelona's style but i'm not a massive fan at all but whatever, and calling the team Bartha is another :lol:

You People...
 

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wait a minute.. are you one of those kids that dropped out of college, spends a lot of time playing video games, is a tad overweight, jerks off a few times a day due to boredom, lives with his mother, and takes it out on internet boards?


Yeah- I'll bet you are. There's really no point to you stepping in here and trying to go heads up with the 'nutters'- which by the way is such a fucking UK word I want to vomit.

You're a teen and you don't know your ass from your elbow.

Well no to all of those above & i'm 21 so good stuff.
 

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actually not really i'm a huge admirer of both Xavi and Iniesta and like Barcelona's style but i'm not a massive fan at all but whatever, and calling the team Bartha is another :lol:

You People...

you mean diving like a cunt all the time and pressuring referees !
 

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wait a minute.. are you one of those kids that dropped out of college, spends a lot of time playing video games, is a tad overweight, jerks off a few times a day due to boredom, lives with his mother, and takes it out on internet boards?

For a minute there I thought you were describing me. Good thing I moved out of my parents house at a young age. :D
 

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Did anyone see what Puyol said in the press conference? ;p
 

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OMG they're showing this match in 3D here in DK. To bad I don't have a 3D tv :(
 
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I'm so looking forward to this match, don't know if we'll have a good day or not, but I can't wait for this game. Ideally I would like to see a Milan victory, but in football you never know and our opponent is Barca, will be tough, but I always believe in Milan :thumbsup:
 

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Bandini: Ibra’s “entire career has been built on a desire for revenge”
Posted by Paolo Bandini under Players on Nov 22, 2011

ibra.jpg


In amongst all the bluster and braggadocio that makes up his autobiography – the tales of stealing bikes and driving cars at 325kmh, of falling asleep drunk in a bathtub after winning the title with Juventus and of kicking Antonio Cassano in the head after taking one with Milan – Zlatan Ibrahimovic does actually say one or two things that are rather revealing. In fact he says quite a few, talking candidly about his father’s problems with drink, for instance, and the way that his mother would hit him with wooden spoon until it snapped.

But the section that seems most pertinent ahead of a key Champions League game against Barcelona regards Ibrahimovic’s time at the Catalan club. Chances are you’ve already heard the top lines: the striker’s rants about how Pep Guardiola ignored him, about how the manager “drove him like a Fiat 500”, instead of the Ferrari he believed himself to be. The bit where Ibrahimovic tells his then boss “You have no balls” and “You shit yourself in front of Mourinho”.

Much of what is written in these passages is, as Graham Hunter wrote this week,nothing but sheer self-indulgence. Ibrahimovic rails at Guardiola for telling him what to drive – “here we don’t come to training in a Ferrari or Porsche” – for expecting him to run so much and for arranging the team’s formation around Lionel Messi. But every now and then he also cuts to the chase. “On the pitch I was still doing well,” notes Ibrahimovic at one point. “But I wasn’t enjoying myself.”

Objectivity is often hard to come by when discussing a player as divisive as Ibra, yet his assertion regarding on-pitch performance can certainly be backed by statistics. In 29 league games for Barcelona – six of which he started as a substitute – he scored 16 goals and created seven assists. In the Champions League he scored four in 10, and set up two more. His strikes included a winner against Real Madrid, a brace away to Arsenal and an equaliser his team had scarcely merited in Stuttgart.

Yet the fact Ibra was scoring goals is what makes his intimation that he was not having fun seem poignant. Any player might feel unhappy after getting off on the wrong foot with a new manager, but for a striker to no longer relish connecting ball with net is another thing entirely. Which raises the question: was Barcelona’s biggest mistake was identifying Ibrahimovic as such in the first place?

The Swede had arrived on the back of a season in which he struck 25 times in Serie A alone – enough to make him that year’s Capocannoniere – and was certainly sold to the Barcelona-supporting public as a great goalscorer, one whose height and power would give the team a new dimension. A classic target-man who could provide goals just as well as the departing Samuel Eto’o had, while also serving as the fixed point around which Barcelona’s constellation of talents would orbit.

Yet the reality is that goals might never have been an obsession for Ibrahimovic, as much as a means for making himself the centre of attention. The chance to drop back, to execute a clever assist or even just an outrageous flick can be just as effective in that regard. As he would tell Guardiola in one of the conversations that precipitated the collapse of their relationship, “if it was just a goalscorer you wanted you should have bought [Pippo] Inzaghi.”

At one point in the book he even recounts how Fabio Capello sat him down alone in front of a VHS showing every goal Marco Van Basten had ever scored, and within minutes he was contemplating whether he could get away with sneaking out (he eventually did).If scoring goals only held limited interest then watching others was positively dull. In the end Ibrahimovic’s greatest motivation for scoring was not internally driven at all, but stemmed largely from the desire to prove others’ wrong.

“My entire career has been built on a desire for revenge,” he notes at one point in the book, and his reaction to finally becoming Capocannoniere in 2009 illustrates the point. “When I arrived in Italy, people said I didn’t know how to score goals,” declared Ibrahimovic in the immediate aftermath of a 4-3 win over Atalanta on the last day of that season. “Now I have shown them.”

Two years on, now he has the opportunity to show Guardiola something. On top of their personal differences, Ibrahimovic protests at length in his book about the decision to move Messi – at the Argentinian’s request – back into the middle of the park. It was a change that he felt trapped him in a box, limiting his freedom of movement and ensuring that the team’s passes in that area of the pitch would be focused more towards the Argentinian. Ibra would be in position to score goals, sure, but not to express himself as he would wish.

Now at Milan, Ibrahimovic is once again the undisputed king of the castle – perhaps not totally unconstrained by tactics and formations but certainly free to interpret a game as he sees fit within Massimiliano Allegri’s 4-3-1-2. Increasingly, it seems Ibrahimovic’s instinct is to hang deep – spending less time in the area than sat outside it, looking for ways to release his team-mates inside it. At times against Fiorentina this weekend he looked less like a centre-forward than a trequartista.

That is in part a reflection of his growing realisation of the way his body is changing as it ages – another point he acknowledges in the book, saying that he has become a “weighty but explosive attacker who must play with a bit more guile in order to manage an entire match”. He is all too aware of the need to conserve energy in this part of the season in order to avoid a repeat of the February burn-out he suffered last time out.

But it is also perhaps another case of Ibrahimovic setting out for revenge, seeking to show Guardiola just what he missed out on by attempting to limit the player’s freedom. Tomorrow night at San Siro, he will have the opportunity to make his point in person


http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog...areer-has-been-built-on-a-desire-for-revenge/

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OMG they're showing this match in 3D here in DK. To bad I don't have a 3D tv :(

I would be happy if I could watch it on tv, stupid broadcaster here doesn't show this match, fucking idiots :(
I hope I'm lucky tomorrow and will find a good stream.
 

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Allegri:

"We will need to be balanced and play higher up the pitch so as not to allow Barcelona too much possession."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2011/11/22/2769110/its-a-dream-to-play-the-best-team-in-the-world-in-barcelona-says-


Playing with a high defensive line, I'm a bit worried about this:

-Zambrotta and Nesta aren't fast.

-Barca have been very successful, mainly through Cesc, at just lobbing the ball over the defense to a runner.

-Villa and Pedro are players who aren't good at challenging defenders, but they can beat an offside trap, and they can poach. I high defensive line is playing to their strength.
 

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Napoliiiiii omg :proud:
 

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--------------Abbiati---
----Abate-----Nesta--TS-----Zam
--Boateng/Noce-----Dorf---------Aqua/Urby
---------------Binho (sub Pato based on performance)----------------
------------Ibra(same as above)-------
 

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Real leading 4-0 in the first 20 minutes! o_O
 

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actually not really i'm a huge admirer of both Xavi and Iniesta and like Barcelona's style but i'm not a massive fan at all but whatever, and calling the team Bartha is another :lol:

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Holly fuck! Look... it´s a gloryhunter :fp:
 

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Barca were favorites back in 94 also.
I wonder what this means.

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I hope to see a formation around this for tomorrow:
--------------Abbiati---
----Abate-----Nesta--TS-----Zam
--Boateng/Noce-----Dorf---------Aqua/Urby
---------------Binho (sub Pato based on performance)----------------
------------Ibra(same as above)-------

:lol::lol::lol:
aquilani/ urby shit that isnt gonna happen aquilani may be given 10 min or so against bartha urby no chance
 

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