Italian Football Thread II

[sushanmilano]

We can sit and blame the refs all we like but the bottomline is we lost the scudetto when we failed to invest Juventus have played better they deserve the title. And i am pretty sure they will invest more because they have ucl too next season. If our answer to that is montolivo then god help us..

 

[Dominate]

it's clear that with a bit more luck and less injuries that this Milan team would be winning the league and would be playing the final in Munich.

We have a great team, but sometimes it's simply not meant to be.


However, the league is not over yet, have faith in Milan!

wtf is this

what have you done with sage????

 

[Costanza]

Whewwww, I cannot believe how this thread has changed. Looks like the Liverpool forum in here. Corruption allegations, calling the other team mediocre when they are about to win the league, delusions about own team..

Sad but true.

how bout the fact that our management is beyond shit?

 

[luke07]

Sad but true.

we need entire curva sud to attack milanello again

like happened before in 2009 (CMIIW)

 

[Costanza]

we need entire curva sud to attack milanello again

like happened before in 2009 (CMIIW)

Well I would appreciate another object thrown into Berlu's mouth.

 

[Dominate]

I mean you cant say they dont deserve it

Yes they have had their luck but we fucked up when it mattered

Im still hoping/expecting us to win the league though

 

[SpartanMilan]

we need entire curva sud to attack milanello again

like happened before in 2009 (CMIIW)

yeah, whole lot of good that did...

 

[GreatKalu]

closet jubentino .. atleast he is happy

How would you feel if the company you worked for, tirelessly, for 10 years, decides that you are surplus to requirements and instead chose a thug of a developer with less than half your portfolio? Say you are a Java EJB developer, and they release you from your contract for someone solid in PHP?

Meanwhile, there's another company willing to meet your wage demands and focus on your EJB strengths ... build an environment where you will excel in your speciality more than you have in the latter periods of your contract at your current company.

Furthermore, your current company doesn't see the combination of you and your prospective company as a real threat to their current status as market leaders.

Its a pretty straight forward situation ... one where there is no deceit and/or betrayal. No false promises or excuses were made. This was completely straightforward and honest from all parties involved.

Of course Juve had crucial decisions go their way, and I agree that things would have been different had these decisions been handled differently. But Juve were our title rivals on merit ... and while they probably wouldn't win without cheating, my point is that Pirlo has been fundamental to their challenge. Without him, they wouldn't be where they are.

Milan made an error in letting him go. I think that is a fair conclusion from a neutral point of view. Pirlo out, Van Boss in, was a mistake. Face it.

Nothing we can do about it though, and anyway ... we needed to look forward a while back. I was all for letting Pirlo go, but not with Van Boss as his replacement.

Now Milan should look to strengthen the anchor role with real quality. We can keep Van Boss for depth in Serie A, but like I said last summer, I'd rather have Ambro in that role cause he really isn't that much worse than Van Boss + you know he has Milan in his heart.

Anyway, that is all subjective ... but one thing is certain. Milan need a new quality anchor.

 

[Casualista]

wtf is this

what have you done with sage????

He is od-ing on sarcasm. Next step is taking a shotgun and shooting himself in the face after a letter to his daughter and wife about how much he has stopped enjoying football and how much milan suck.

Smells like sage spirit.

 

[Casualista]

Milan need a new quality anchor.

no. that is the last of our worries.

 

[necromancer]

no. that is the last of our worries.

Not really. The 3rd of our worries I'd say. After a creative midfielder and a striker. At par with the need for a quality leftback.

 

[GreatKalu]

So you guys believe Van Boss is sufficient?

I will stick to what I said last summer. If Milan want to go to the next level, to dominate Europe like we are supposed to, then we need more quality than what Van Boss can offer.

Have you guys forgot the comical error in the group stages where he gifted possession to the opposition being the last man in defence, only for Abs to save his ass? Had it been Pirlo, we wouldn't have heard the end it on these boards ... GIFs galore.

It comes to no surprise to me that Milan were close to eliminating Bartha with him not seeing the pitch, and it is also evidence of Ambro's capability.

Still, Milan need someone better.

 

[Sage]

He is od-ing on sarcasm. Next step is taking a shotgun and shooting himself in the face after a letter to his daughter and wife about how much he has stopped enjoying football and how much milan suck.

Smells like sage spirit.

 

[luke07]

So you guys believe Van Boss is sufficient?

I will stick to what I said last summer. If Milan want to go to the next level, to dominate Europe like we are supposed to, then we need more quality than what Van Boss can offer.

Have you guys forgot the comical error in the group stages where he gifted possession to the opposition being the last man in defence, only for Abs to save his ass? Had it been Pirlo, we wouldn't have heard the end it on these boards ... GIFs galore.

It comes to no surprise to me that Milan were close to eliminating Bartha with him not seeing the pitch, and it is also evidence of Ambro's capability.

Still, Milan need someone better.

how bout we stop bullshitting and more logical thoughts and hopes

DEFICIT 60 million

 

[GreatKalu]

Quality players don't always come at a price. And you don't really need to break the bank for a good anchor ... or rather, one better than Ambro or Van Boss.

Thats just how the market is nowadays - Inflated prices for attacking players, or other hyped players. Yet one cannot stop stressing the importance of an anchor. Look what happened to Madrid and Chelsea over Makelele. Look at our very own Gattuso. Who would have thought he'd end up being so epic?

Milan need to send their scouts out and do their homework well. With 10 million, we could easily get two quality anchors, and boy does our central midfield need them.

Central midfield is where dominance (imposing your game) is won or lost. We won the UCL in 07 WITHOUT ANY CONTROVERSY mostly by means of a strong central midfield. Of course we had Kaka' ... we had Nesta ... we had Pippo ... but the backbone of that success was our central midfield's ability to impose our game.

 

[Ash]

Chelsea have a sugar daddy aswell. Liverpool spent a lot, but they did sell Torres for 50M and it's not unusual for owners to spend a lot at first - let's see how much they spend this Summer.

United can't compete anymore due to the Glazers. That's why we buy young so they have a re-sale price and why apparently there's "No value in the market", and why players are taking us for mugs with their contracts (Paul Pogba wanted 40k a week ffs).

Arsenal are an example - their spending is in line with where it's always been under Wenger, but they can't compete anymore. They're a selling club. Nasri, Toure, Adebayor and Clichy all doubled their wages when they went to City. The knock on effect is when top players like Tevez are on £250k a week, average players like Clichy want 100k a week. 5 years ago Ronaldo was on around 80k a week. He was earning what an average squad player who plays 10 games a season is now on.

Spurs can't afford the wages of their best striker - they're only paying half of Adebayor's wages atm whilst City are paying the other half.

Can't compete anymore?

How much did you guys spend this summer again?

 

[Ash]

I'm sorry to Congo but Berlu's day are over. We need Barbara or someone sane to take over. Someone who doesn't sit watching Braca game with an angry face thinking our team can dominate Barca with a fucking ball of suck like Robinho.

I'm all for being positive, but Can anyone see any kind of Vision or plan in this team's management?

Fuck this year, my biggest worry is with the way things are happening, 6 years later Serie A will be a Second rate league and Milan will go back to a 20 year shitty era until some Berluish guy comes and buy it. Maybe I'm just panicking.

No offense - but fuck Barbara

Her dating Pato notwithstanding, she is just a mere puppet and nothing else

I would rather have us done with the entire Berlusconi family considering one's certifiably insane, two are major assholes that would rather see us drown, and one is a puppet with no real power....

 

[Sage]

Can't compete anymore?

How much did you guys spend this summer again?

I actually forgot about replying to this post.

he says fegie is focused on young players and there is no value in the market.

bro, if ashley young and jones cost around 15-20 million pounds each, sneijder is totally worth the 30million pounds or wtv.

 

[GreatKalu]

Grazie Glazer for being who you are

What a champion. The symbol above all symbols in United's history. Glory Glory Glazer. Our leader, our saviour!

 

[Italian Tsar]

The suspension of the Genoa game for 40 minutes due to Ultras is a sign of what's wrong with Italian football. There's much wrong with the Genoa side on the field, but the free hand Ultras have at the moment alienates the general public and I can't fathom why they are not being firmly dealt with and made an example of. Nobody has a right to humiliate players in this manner, no matter how storied a club's history may be.

 

[Ash]

People can't really put the blame on injuries and referee decisions when despite that we STILL did have a 4 point lead over Juve

And we still blew it playing the likes of Fiorentina and Catania

 

[Vecchio Ultra]

The suspension of the Genoa game for 40 minutes due to Ultras is a sign of what's wrong with Italian football. There's much wrong with the Genoa side on the field, but the free hand Ultras have at the moment alienates the general public and I can't fathom why they are not being firmly dealt with and made an example of. Nobody has a right to humiliate players in this manner, no matter how storied a club's history may be.

Boh, I've seen worse, Inter Ultras have beaten up their own team in the bus garage after going out in the CL vs Valencia. The Lazio, Hellas Verona, Roma Ultras attack their training ground once every other year also, The Juventus Ultras started fires in their own stadium after dissapointing results just two years ago. Thing is the ultras are far more organised than the english hooligans for example were, it's not something you can halt easily.

 

[luke07]

The suspension of the Genoa game for 40 minutes due to Ultras is a sign of what's wrong with Italian football. There's much wrong with the Genoa side on the field, but the free hand Ultras have at the moment alienates the general public and I can't fathom why they are not being firmly dealt with and made an example of. Nobody has a right to humiliate players in this manner, no matter how storied a club's history may be.

it's called football passion
and whether it's not good for serie a image
ultras genoa showed how much they really care the team situation
they are on the edge of relegation

people who don't know anything bout football passion (never watch football game in stadium live whatever the game.....mls, local league,)

should stop acting like pretentious snob

 

[Italian Tsar]

Boh, I've seen worse, Inter Ultras have beaten up their own team in the bus garage after going out in the CL vs Valencia. The Lazio, Hellas Verona, Roma Ultras attack their training ground once every other year also, The Juventus Ultras started fires in their own stadium after dissapointing results just two years ago. Thing is the ultras are far more organised than the english hooligans for example were, it's not something you can halt easily.

I guess that's unfortunately true. But I can't see any sincere, concerted effort to bring this menace to a halt barring the token condemnations issued after every episode. Serie A is a lot more unpredictable than Spain and England -- which could be down to the relative thin spread of talent among its top sides -- but it doubtless makes it more attractive and this Ultras nonsense is gradually ruining the spectacle and the game's prospects in this land.

it's called football passion
and whether it's not good for serie a image
ultras genoa showed how much they really care the team situation
they are on the edge of relegation

people who don't know anything bout football passion (never watch football game in stadium live whatever the game.....mls, local league,)

should stop acting like pretentious snob

Well I think it more boorishness than passion. You can't justify asking players to remove their jerseys halfway through a game just because you're losing 0-4. How would you feel if you''re asked to not use your computer anymore at work and do everything manually because you're 'no good at your work'? I think it's a fairly stupid thing to ask the players to do.

 

[necromancer]

Boh, I've seen worse, Inter Ultras have beaten up their own team in the bus garage after going out in the CL vs Valencia. The Lazio, Hellas Verona, Roma Ultras attack their training ground once every other year also, The Juventus Ultras started fires in their own stadium after dissapointing results just two years ago. Thing is the ultras are far more organised than the english hooligans for example were, it's not something you can halt easily.

While you're at it, dont forget what Milan ultras do.



Ultras aren't the problem of a few clubs, but of all of them. Genoa and Lazio are worse, but the others aren't much better off.

 

[Italian Tsar]

ultras aren't the problem of a few clubs, but of all of them. Genoa and lazio are worse, but the others aren't much better off.

+1

 

[luke07]

Well I think it more boorishness than passion. You can't justify asking players to remove their jerseys halfway through a game just because you're losing 0-4. How would you feel if you''re asked to not use your computer anymore at work and do everything manually because you're 'no good at your work'? I think it's a fairly stupid thing to ask the players to do.

it's because they all made fun of sampdoria relegation last season
of course they all gonna be mad like yesterday considering genoa situation
football is not only a mere job
and calcio passion in italy is like religion, it is even more than football in england

and btw fossa de leoni (milan defunct ultras) killed one of genoa ultras in the past

 

[Italian Tsar]

it's because they all made fun of sampdoria relegation last season
of course they all gonna be mad like yesterday considering genoa situation
football is not only a mere job
and calcio passion in italy is like religion, it in even more than football in england

and btw fossa de leoni (milan defunct ultras) killed one of genoa ultras in the past

They sure have a case then I guess But it was shameful behaviour on their part, I have to say.

 

[MonsterKane]

So GreatKalu the Great, would you enlighten the board by telling us what exactly would change in midfield if we replace Van Bommel with (and I quote) "a real quality anchor" while Nocerino/Emanuelson/Seedorf/Aquilani/Muntari stay as our central midfielders?

 

[Redman10]

If the league is handed to Juve at the end of the day, they deserved it; Milan have only themselves too blame. The players, coaching staff, medical staff, management are all accountable. Dropping point against Fiorentina twice is inexcusable. Catania and Bologna as well.